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Either a government secures the individual's right to own, or it TAKES from one to GIVE to another.
That makes NAZI Germany socialist.
America's "voluntary" socialist system is via FICA.
“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration
You don't get to re-define history just because you're a SovCiv, and I'm not buying the social security deflection.
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Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.” Thereafter, Hitler’s word was the supreme and undisputed command in the party. The party came to control virtually all political, social, and cultural activities in Germany. Its vast and complex hierarchy was structured like a pyramid, with party-controlled mass organizations for youth, women, workers, and other groups at the bottom, party members and officials in the middle, and Hitler and his closest associates at the top wielding undisputed authority.
We ALL know Twitter's full of keyboard warriors too chicken to act face to face, exemplified by the Twit in Chief.
If it happens, it will be another laughable, unsuccessful revolt like the Occupation Wall Street movement! To find out how to pull off a successful revolt, you must look south to Latin America, particularly Brazil and Bolivia. They know how to do it up right!
We're all victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry that has been spin doctoring history.
What most people think Nazism and Fascism should mean is more accurately defined by "Totalitarianism".
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TOTALITARIAN - Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed.
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POLICE STATE - A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.
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COLLECTIVISM - the socialist principle of control by the people collectively, or the state, of all means of production or economic activity.
SOCIALISM - a theory or system of social organization in which the means of production and distribution of goods are owned and controlled collectively or by the government.
COMMUNISM - a theory or system of social organization based on holding all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community or to the state.
MARXISM - The political theory of Karl Marx, including its analysis of society in terms of the class struggle and its belief in the replacement of capitalism by communism.
All such “isms” are opposed to the INDIVIDUAL ownership of private property.
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.
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AND as previously posted, the Communist Manifesto abolishes private property.
So when you see America's governments taking property and not paying just compensation in lawful money (which hasn't circulated since 1933), it can't be PRIVATE PROPERTY.
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
FREEDOMS ... GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION ... HAVE BEEN ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...
Constitutional U.S.A. (1789 - 1933) R.I.P.
I hate to be the first person to break this to you, but a dictionary only provides basic definitions, not context for historical events.....
You don't get to re-define history just because you're a SovCiv, and I'm not buying the social security deflection.
Not selling anything. Go read the law and prove me wrong.
FYI: There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen.
There ARE sovereign people and there are subject citizens. Mutually exclusive.
And no law compels participation in FICA nor punishes nonparticipants. IT is 100% voluntary socialism.
Yet MILLIONS believe they must sign up and get "their number" to live and work in their own country.
*** KUDOS to the propaganda ministry! ***
- - - - - Citizens are NOT sovereigns
"CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. "
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
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But PEOPLE are sovereigns !
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative.
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
Sovereignty itself is, of course not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
People (Americans) are sovereigns - individually.
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The USCON also conforms to this, for when it refers to powers and rights, it mentions PEOPLE (9th and 10th amendments). But when it refers to privileges and immunities, it refers to CITIZENS.
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Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]
IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (estate) (taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
However, that does not negate the endowed rights of the sovereign American people (noncitizens / free inhabitants) who did not consent to be governed.
It's all in the public record, available at any county courthouse law library.
And as long as you consent, no harm, no foul.
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
In the dim past, our ancestors knew better.
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ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from gutenberg.org)
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His audience knew what an “American sovereign” was, to understand the joke.
Not selling anything. Go read the law and prove me wrong.
FYI: There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen.
There ARE sovereign people and there are subject citizens. Mutually exclusive.
And no law compels participation in FICA nor punishes nonparticipants. IT is 100% voluntary socialism.
Yet MILLIONS believe they must sign up and get "their number" to live and work in their own country.
*** KUDOS to the propaganda ministry! ***
- - - - - Citizens are NOT sovereigns
"CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. "
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
= = = = =
But PEOPLE are sovereigns !
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative.
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
Sovereignty itself is, of course not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
People (Americans) are sovereigns - individually.
- - - - -
The USCON also conforms to this, for when it refers to powers and rights, it mentions PEOPLE (9th and 10th amendments). But when it refers to privileges and immunities, it refers to CITIZENS.
- - - - - -
Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely
. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]
IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (estate) (taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
However, that does not negate the endowed rights of the sovereign American people (noncitizens / free inhabitants) who did not consent to be governed.
It's all in the public record, available at any county courthouse law library.
And as long as you consent, no harm, no foul.
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
Stop deflecting from the actual discussion; literally no one save you is discussing the "sovereign citizen" concept.
NAZISM is a still right-wing ideology.
Your reply is deflecting from the O.P.
The left is planning an armed insurrection.
MY point is that which is "left" (opposed to TRADITIONAL AUTHORITY) is opposed to the Declaration of Independence wherein it states we have CREATOR ENDOWED RIGHTS.
And what may constitute the "left" in America may include elements claiming to be "right wing" (or extreme right wing).
And the "traditional" government in Germany before A. Hitler took over, was the shortlived Weimar republic, preceded by Wilhelm II (Friedrich Wilhelm Viktor Albert; 27 January 1859 – 4 June 1941), the last German Emperor (Kaiser) and King of Prussia, reigning from 15 June 1888 until his abdication on 9 November 1918.
If A. Hitler sought to be Kaiser, then that would make him a traditionalist. But he had higher ambitions.
Perhaps you could reconsider when you claim National Socialists are right wing extremists seeking to restore the former German empire instead of a totalitarian police state.
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We're all victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, so it is natural that few Americans know that they're sovereigns without subjects.
Justice John Jay nails it - - -
“It will be sufficient to observe briefly that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the Prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance, and excludes the idea of his being on an equal footing with a subject, either in a court of justice or elsewhere... No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves[.]
“From the differences existing between feudal sovereignties and governments founded on compacts, it necessarily follows that their respective prerogatives must differ. Sovereignty is the right to govern; a nation or State sovereign is the person or persons in whom that resides. In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
In America, the people are the sovereigns, served by the governments instituted to secure their endowed rights.
But consenting citizens are subjects of their sovereign governments, obligated to perform mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights.
In other words, you still have a choice:
Sovereign, or subject, by consent.
Coincidentally, that's one of the reasons why there is only one nation on earth with a republican form of government.
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, described by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic). And no endowed right can be subject to taxation, regulation or infringement.
But once consent is given, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
MY point is that which is "left" (opposed to TRADITIONAL AUTHORITY) is opposed to the Declaration of Independence wherein it states we have CREATOR ENDOWED RIGHTS. And what may constitute the "left" in America may include elements claiming to be "right wing" (or extreme right wing).
Lol; the double-think on display here is just...lol.
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
And the "traditional" government in Germany before A. Hitler took over, was the shortlived Weimar republic, preceded by Wilhelm II (Friedrich Wilhelm Viktor Albert; 27 January 1859 – 4 June 1941), the last German Emperor (Kaiser) and King of Prussia, reigning from 15 June 1888 until his abdication on 9 November 1918.
Irrelevent.
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
If A. Hitler sought to be Kaiser, then that would make him a traditionalist. But he had higher ambitions.
Perhaps you could reconsider when you claim National Socialists are right wing extremists seeking to restore the former German empire instead of a totalitarian police state.
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The "National Socialists" as you call them, were right-wing extremists seeking to enact a "totalitarian police state" This is a fact.
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This ideology took a leftist label chiefly for tactical reasons. It demanded, within the party and within the state, a powerful system of rule that would exercise unchallenged leadership over the “great mass of the anonymous.” And whatever premises the party may have started with, by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy.
Conservatives clearly not intelligent enough to realize how stupid threads like this make them appear...
yeah, guys, I'm sure there's going to be a violent communist uprising. What crackpipe garbage you rot your brains with.
Most of you are to freaking stupid to even know what communism actually means.
Oh shoot! Do you mean that all this time you thought we conservatives are intelligent and now we went and blew it by posting something that opened your eyes to our stupidity?
Keep watching the MSM fake news and we will consider your source when reading your posts.
Maybe you need to put on your wading boots, get out and take a walk, get some fresh air, oops, never mind.
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What crackpipe garbage you rot your brains with.
