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Lets see I spend about $5 a week on dairy products. So if I have to spend $9 a week to ensure that our labor market is functioning with legal hires I fine with that. And poor people who can't take care of their kids get milk for free through WIC and EBT cards so what is the problem?
Sorry but we as a family of two do about $20 a week on Dairy.
The dairy industry in the US has about 100 billion in revenue. Not all would be impacted but it could cost 50 billion if you removed all the illegals. And that is just the dairy industry.
35% of foreign born Vegas born residents are here illegally. And construction jobs are the most likely jobs for illegal alien men. The truth is that it is almost certain that a majority of constructions jobs are held by illegals in Vegas.
Construction jobs are not available to the casual worker. Lots of workers get picked up as day laborers in lots of fields. The normal parking lot hire is one or two for the day. But the core construction sub contractors have been established for decades. To get into one you need a friend or relative to help. Many of the Hispanic workers have been at it for 20 years or more.
I know about it as I have had a number of dealings with major contractors and have served with them on the boards of civic organizations. None of this is secret and is widely discussed in the industry.
And it is more like 15% of the Hispanic population which is illegal.
Sorry but we as a family of two do about $20 a week on Dairy.
The dairy industry in the US has about 100 billion in revenue. Not all would be impacted but it could cost 50 billion if you removed all the illegals. And that is just the dairy industry.
Removing illegals won't happen fast enough to have such a large impact and the market will stabilize on it's on anyway. But we must remove them, regardless of how long they have been here. They are illegal, they can go home and caravan to their local government office and apply for legal residency.
Removing illegals won't happen fast enough to have such a large impact and the market will stabilize on it's on anyway. But we must remove them, regardless of how long they have been here. They are illegal, they can go home and caravan to their local government office and apply for legal residency.
The cost increase is driven by the closure of many small dairies as well as the increase in cost of labor. So it takes years...that does not change the impact.
There is of course no practical way to get rid of the illegal aliens other than legalizing them. Make employment more difficult you may cause a few to leave but mostly they will gravitate to the black market.
Well so much for the claims by the left that the numbers in the caravan would dwindle so much that maybe only a few hundred would make it all the way up to our border.
"Nielsen said there are more than 6,200 migrants “camped out†in Tijuana and more than 3,000 caravan members in Mexicali, 110 miles to the east. Combined with other groups still traveling through Mexico, officials expect as many as 10,000 migrants to arrive at the border, she said".
The caravan was used by the Democrats not Trump for the GOP. The Left has supported, welcomed and no doubt even funded the caravan for political gain and to make Trump look bad.
That claim is absolutely ridiculous.
Fox 'News' made it into a faux issue, Newt Gingrich suggested the Republicans run on it. D J Trump jumped on the bandwagon and made a big theatrical deal out of sending professional troops to the border (only to shovel chit out of the border patrol's stables).
That issue is entirely on the Republicans, who were seeking to gin up the Trumplodyte base. That's it. You can't put lipstick on that pig and expect it to look or smell better.
Construction jobs are not available to the casual worker. Lots of workers get picked up as day laborers in lots of fields.
Where are these fields in Las Vegas? I used to live that and visited countless times. I must have missed them.
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The normal parking lot hire is one or two for the day. But the core construction sub contractors have been established for decades. To get into one you need a friend or relative to help. Many of the Hispanic workers have been at it for 20 years or more.
There are lots of small contractors who are not building casinos but repair roofs, do remodels, etc. That is where the illegals get the work. Yes many are skilled at what they do that is not the point. There are people opening small construction businesses every day.
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I know about it as I have had a number of dealings with major contractors and have served with them on the boards of civic organizations. None of this is secret and is widely discussed in the industry.
And it is more like 15% of the Hispanic population which is illegal.
According to Pew Research it is 35% in Vegas. 170,000 people.
Your point makes about as much sense as few people tell you they are cheating on their taxes so it must be a very small percentage that do. Like they probably do not tell you at these civic meetings if they are cheating on their wives. You push the envelope for any number of reasons and its not likely you tell everyone about it. I used to flip houses hired lots of people and small contractors. There is lots of grunt work that requires little skill just someone willing to work hard for low pay.
Reality is there are a lot of illegals in Las Vegas and a lot of construction jobs. You just have to do the math.
Well so much for the claims by the left that the numbers in the caravan would dwindle so much that maybe only a few hundred would make it all the way up to our border.
"Nielsen said there are more than 6,200 migrants “camped out” in Tijuana and more than 3,000 caravan members in Mexicali, 110 miles to the east. Combined with other groups still traveling through Mexico, officials expect as many as 10,000 migrants to arrive at the border, she said".
I catch some the news in Spanish because my SO speaks Spanish and the locals in Tijuana and Nogales have turned against the caravan. Perhaps this has been mentioned in this thread sorry if I repeating things. The local cities have to take care of these people and they don't do that for most of the residents. Mexicans were fine with them as long as they were just passing through their towns for a day. But reality has set in.
Also crossing into America by legal Mexican residents is much more difficult because of increased security by US customs over these people. They also resent the caravan for that.
Where are these fields in Las Vegas? I used to live that and visited countless times. I must have missed them.
There are lots of small contractors who are not building casinos but repair roofs, do remodels, etc. That is where the illegals get the work. Yes many are skilled at what they do that is not the point. There are people opening small construction businesses every day.
According to Pew Research it is 35% in Vegas. 170,000 people.
Your point makes about as much sense as few people tell you they are cheating on their taxes so it must be a very small percentage that do. Like they probably do not tell you at these civic meetings if they are cheating on their wives. You push the envelope for any number of reasons and its not likely you tell everyone about it. I used to flip houses hired lots of people and small contractors. There is lots of grunt work that requires little skill just someone willing to work hard for low pay.
Reality is there are a lot of illegals in Las Vegas and a lot of construction jobs. You just have to do the math.
Try any Star Nursery at dawn. Many Home Depots. Sometimes enough to be a nuisance.
170,000 illegals is correct. That is about 15% of the Hispanic population.
The big employment is the construction sub contractors which are mostly legal. Have a neighbor who has multiple crews doing specialty work in the field. Virtually all Hispanic and all legal.
And actually in the construction industry cheating on the wife may well be boasted about. However most of the ones I have dealt with are Mormons and don't do that or at least don't boast about it.
The caravan was used by the Democrats not Trump for the GOP. The Left has supported, welcomed and no doubt even funded the caravan for political gain and to make Trump look bad.
There is no winning for the Right at the border.
Trump sent the troops to strengthen the border and to provide aide to the border agents which of course was seen by the Left as a huge waste of money but if Trump had done nothing his base would not be happy.
Trump tried to make it tougher for people to claim asylum but big surprise that was shot down by an Obama appointed judge. To the Left Trump is a monster but if he had done nothing his base would not have been happy.
Trump will have camps setup to process the caravan people and there is no doubt that the Left will cry foul even though the detainees are receiving everything they need while they wait for their case to be heard. All it will take is one kid with tears down her face for the whole operation to be condemned but if Trump had done nothing his base would not have been happy.
Trump is in a tough spot and the Left is using these people as political leverage against him. If Trump ordered the caravan people to be waved through the Left would even criticize him for that while his base would start leaving him.
There are no winners in this mess and the biggest loser will be America.
America is the biggest loser because of Trump.
The reason trumps asinine ideas got shot down by the judge is because Trump doesnt know what hes doing. The judge knew it was an election stunt. Thats what we have checks and balances for.
The troops were initially sent to stop migrants, but then the GOP found out the hard way that the troops couldnt perform LE duties. So that wasnt well thought out.
The whole thing was a bull***t stunt, If Trump would do the right thing he wouldnt make such tough spots for himself. And since hes not talking about it at all, its obviously not a tough spot as much as it was hot air.
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