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Most migrants traveling in the caravan tell CBS News they're fleeing extreme poverty, but that's not a condition for asylum or refugee status in the U.S.
Nope, in 2006 and 2013 there were 60 votes for immigration bills in the Senate, both times the Republican led house refused to introduce them. Nice Try
That's 2006 and 2013. We're talking about 2018 with a GOP house, senate and president. The earlier bills were watered down since they know President Obama would never sign anything with significant border enforcement. Your argument is that in the CURRENT climate the GOP is doing nothing and that's false.
That's 2006 and 2013. We're talking about 2018 with a GOP house, senate and president. The earlier bills were watered down since they know President Obama would never sign anything with significant border enforcement. Your argument is that in the CURRENT climate the GOP is doing nothing and that's false.
Oh wow, I didn't know that Obama was President in 2006, I learn something new every day here But let's look at what the GOP is doing about immigration in 2018:
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The failure of the e-verify plan — which was eagerly sought by conservatives wary of the bill — means the House will instead vote on a plan that still includes a path to citizenship for 1.8 million Dreamers, people brought to the country illegally as children. That plan, due for a vote as soon as Wednesday, would impose cuts in legal immigration and provide $25 billion for border security, including President Donald Trump's border wall. Farm groups strongly opposed the defeated employee verification system. Those groups represent huge swaths of the Central Valley districts of House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-California, and Rep. Jeff Denham, R-California, who have been leading immigration efforts in the House. https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/pol...213791734.html
Are the children are being brought along to ensure entree to the US? This is a dangerous trip for parents to involve children in. Walking too!
One ethnic group South of the US border cannot be given a favored status just because they feel they have a right to be in the US. Go on you tube and see all the migrants fleeing Africa and Syria by boat. They have nothing. The Mediterranean sea is full of boats of people escaping Africa in rickety crowded boats. Looks like Italy, Greece, and Spain have an even worse problem. What if they put them on a ship headed to the US? Would it be turned back?
Can't close the border to everyone, as nice as that sounds. Far too many Americans would be harmed.. businesses depend on getting supplies from Mexico, have people from Mexico shop at their stores, etc. And, far too many Americans work on the American side of the border and chose to live in Mexico because it's cheaper.
We can make it highly advisable to only use a port of entry.
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Originally Posted by berdee
The third world eyes are on what will happen once the caravan gets here. If we do something to keep them out, except for the few that get amnesty, then others from those third world countries may not try the same thing in the future. If we roll over then we might as well just give up, get rid of border patrol and tear up immigration laws - we'd be defeated.
Absolutely right. We should be warning Mexico that they may be stuck with a lot of people turned back at the U.S. border.
Are the children are being brought along to ensure entree to the US? This is a dangerous trip for parents to involve children in. Walking too!
One ethnic group South of the US border cannot be given a favored status just because they feel they have a right to be in the US. Go on you tube and see all the migrants fleeing Africa and Syria by boat. They have nothing. The Mediterranean sea is full of boats of people escaping Africa in rickety crowded boats. Looks like Italy, Greece, and Spain have an even worse problem. What if they put them on a ship headed to the US? Would it be turned back?
The USA has seen 'boat loads of refugees' for years. Cuba and Haiti being the main countries of origin.
It is interesting to research a little the history of those seeking asylum in the USA.....especially when you don't know it.
The Haitians were among 127 migrants aboard an overloaded 70-foot wooden sailboat traveling Saturday 20 miles off the northeast coast of Cuba. The same day, 10 Haitians were apprehended by the Bahamas Defense Force in a joint effort with the United States Operation Turks and Caicos after a vessel landed on Eleuthera. The sailing yacht was found on a beach in Bannerman Town, Eleuthera, while the migrants were discovered in the bushes and handed over to immigration officials.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/30/u...ida-shore.html
About 200 Haitian refugees jumped off a stranded wooden freighter this afternoon into the shallows off Key Biscayne, lunging through chest-deep water in a scramble to evade the Coast Guard and the police and to complete their desperate journey to Miami.
Border patrol will detain them as is required. The courts will set dates to hear their cases a couple of years into the future. They will then be released because the courts have ruled you cannot lock people up for long periods to await a hearing.
Again the problem is a malfunctioning immigration system driven by the fact it is dealing with an unworkable over load.
So we fix our problem or it continues forever and the disadvantaged of central america will likely take advantage.
The function of the immigration system fundamentally is to ensure that people who belong in the U.S. live here unmolested and to send back people who don't belong here. Donald Trump made a major campaign issue over the number of people here illegally, estimated to be around 11 million people. Mr. Trump's politically attractive solution was to "build a wall" along the Mexican border. The problem is that it is easy to get into the U.S., a free country legally. Staying legally is another issue. Threads have focused on the problem of "anchor babies," see No More Anchor Babies?? , a thread I started, Solution for Problem of "14th Amendment" Birthright Babies, and the wall. My personal preference is to give mothers a choice of returning to their countries of origin with the babies or leaving without them, thereby terminating their parental rights.
But none of this deals with the real problem; returning people who are here illegally in a prompt manner so that they can't sink deep roots into their communities, or simply disappear. As the article I linked at the top of the OP states, the immigration court system is badly broken. Basically, nothing moves. What is needed is a big surge of hiring of immigration judges and judges to handle appeals. The system has to work in a manner that cases are heard within weeks, not years. And the writ of the courts must be enforced. If coming here illegally is futile, people won't bother. If the word on the street is that the system is toothless, they will come, Trump or no Trump.
In short, there is no cheap solution. We must fund the immigration court system. Generously.
The point of that earlier thread, and this one, is that we need to get the law enforcement back on the rails. And this applies to far more than illegal immigration.
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Most migrants traveling in the caravan tell CBS News they're fleeing extreme poverty, but that's not a condition for asylum or refugee status in the U.S.
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Most migrants traveling in the caravan tell CBS News they're fleeing extreme poverty, but that's not a condition for asylum or refugee status in the U.S.
If poverty is the result of gang activity/extortion, they would.
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But let's look at what the GOP is doing about immigration in 2018:
