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Old 10-21-2018, 10:52 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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And NOT mentioning deficits is the height of hypocrisy from the right.

Let's get real.
I don't know. I rarely have occasion to mention them but when I do I have concerns. The reality is that income tax receipts are at a record level, even with the in reality piddling tax cuts, but we're still running deficits.

From my experience in local government budgets that means you have a spending problem and not a tax receipt problem.

Having said that, people always want more "stuff" than government, at every level, can afford.
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Old 10-21-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Can't really campaign on inheriting a strong Obama economy. The only major legislative victory the GOP has had this cycle was a permanent tax cut for corporations and a temporary individual cut tilted towards the 1% that will give us trillion dollar deficits by 2020.

Makes sense that republicans are trying to campaign on the immigration boogeyman instead

https://newrepublic.com/article/1517...g-away-economy


1. the inherited a anemic economy from obozo


2. the tax cuts for everybody was just made permanent...


3. obozo gave us trillion dollar deficits for 5 out of his 8 years


4. the economy is skyrocketing at a STABLE rate, unlike under Obama where is was very anemic


5. the illegal immigration issue is NOT a false boogyman...why do liberals support ILLEGAL actions, and ILLEGAL people over citizens
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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Yes they are running from healthcare. That "better cheaper health care for all" we were promised by this president.
I cannot for the life of me understand why many of those who need healthcare the most in Trump's rural area's will continue to vote against their own best interests.
Also many of his voters get medicare and or medicaid & SS that the GOP is looking to cut to help the deficit.
If you want a real answer, here is it. Most people in rural America are self-sufficient and do not expect the government to be responsible for their healthcare. They were fine with the system before Obamacare, and actually preferred it to what the Democrats want to do.

As to Medicare & SS, that is not a government handout, rather those people who receive it, paid into their entire adult working lives, so it is not charity.
As to Medicaid, that is for the poor and indigent, and is a handout on the backs of working Americans. No rugged individualist is going to take handouts, but understand the need to take care of those who are not able-bodied. However those who leach off others because they are too lazy or lack integrity, those are the ones they object to.

Though no president (R or D) has wanted to tackle the Medicare & SS problem, sooner or later someone will need to. Those systems need to be revamped, because much has changed since they were instituted. Not the least of which people are living much longer after they retire, thus the money put in runs out well before the person stops collecting benefits, even including pooled interest. So I suspect they will raise the age to start collecting as one solution.

Another proposal (but one I vehemently disagree with) is so called "means testing" which is essentially stealing your money, because you have met some arbitrary income level, thus you do not need it.
The government forces you to put money in because it feels as if most people would be irresponsible and not properly plan for their retirement or future heath care costs.
Fine, that is sadly true of a decent number of our population.
Yet many of us would have preferred to keep all the money we earned and invest it ourselves, not trust the government to involuntarily hold it for us.
But "means testing" is saying despite us mandating you pay into the system all your working life, we have decided you don't need it now, so we will use your hard earned money to give to others who need it more.
That is classic socialism.

But I digress.

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Old 10-21-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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47% of the people don't pay any federal income tax. So how did they get a tax cut?
1. the 47% (now currently 45%) had a zero or negative tax liability by the LAW


they still got a cut


EVERY bracket went down


EVERY standard deduction was increase by almost double


the child credit was increase by 60%




those that didn't pay before, still wont pay, and may even get MORE back upon filing
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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LOL, I bet you were praising Bush and bitching about Clinton's past when Bush was a bit less than two years into his presidency. After all, the nation quickly recovered for 9/11. But in 2009, Bush was recognized as one of the worse presidents ever. Trump lovers are counting their chickens before they are hatched.
For starters, I do not think Bush "was recognized as one of the worst presidents ever". That is unless you go by liberal/leftist sources.

Even so, I don't know where you are coming up with this, as in my post that you responded to, I mentioned that part of the economic troubles Obama inherited were in fact Bush's fault. However that was not a legitimate excuse for Obama to have 8 years of excuses.

More importantly, you didn't even address a core issue how Obama & Co warned how bad things would be if Trump was elected. They obviously are not fulfilling those dire predictions.
Regardless the only way Obama & Co can claim today's good economy is because of his policies, would be if Trump kept the status quo. Instead Trump upset the Obama apple cart by undoing much of what Obama and his economists had done, and wanted to continue.
Thus if the economy tanked, it certainly would have been on Trump not Obama. Yet some on the left (apparently you included) want it both ways.

How do you fit that square peg into the round hole?
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:29 AM
 
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I guess this is the problem of foolishly hitching your wagon to something so unstable, which is not really under your control.

That's why it doesn't count as an "accomplishment."
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Obama inherited a bad economy caused by the Dim controlled House & Senate during the last years of the Bush Presidency and he and the Dim Congress made it worse until Republicans were elected to run Congress in 2010 and held it since then...things have been improving ever since 2010, if we elect the Dims again to run Congress, they'll again crash the economy.
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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Mentioning deficits now is the height of hypocrisy due to the national debt doubling in the eight years of the Obama Administration. Didn't hear you complaining then. That was "enlightened governance".
Obama eventually decreased deficits towards the end of his tenure after inheriting the Republican disaster of an economy in 2009. Did you complain about Bush doubling the national debt AND creating the great recession?

Trump has managed to create projected trillion dollar deficits during an economic boom. Impressively incompetent
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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1. the inherited a anemic economy from obozo


2. the tax cuts for everybody was just made permanent...


3. obozo gave us trillion dollar deficits for 5 out of his 8 years


4. the economy is skyrocketing at a STABLE rate, unlike under Obama where is was very anemic


5. the illegal immigration issue is NOT a false boogyman...why do liberals support ILLEGAL actions, and ILLEGAL people over citizens
Nothing factual in that entire post.. Congrats.

Enjoy your trillion dollar deficit in 2020.
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Old 10-21-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Obama eventually decreased deficits towards the end of his tenure after inheriting the Republican disaster of an economy in 2009. Did you complain about Bush doubling the national debt AND creating the great recession?

Trump has managed to create projected trillion dollar deficits during an economic boom. Impressively incompetent
Actually, I did have concerns.
To blame Bush for the recession is being intellectually dishonest (yeah, I know, it's you) when the roots of it went back to Carter and Bush did warn about problems (Freddie and Fannie). Warnings which the Democratic Congress refused to deal with.


As it was, I started saying the real estate bubble, which **** simple people caused to an extent, would pop when I saw median house prices hit 5 times median family income. I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.
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