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Old 11-01-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Exactly illegal aliens are not subject to US jurisdiction. They are supposed to be detained and summarily deported like any other invader or intruder.
If they were not in US jurisdiction, then we would have no authority to charge or detain them for crimes. They would be immune.

US Jurisdiction = subject to US laws / protected by US laws.

It was added to exclude diplomats who have immunity from US laws, and therefore are not withing US jurisdiction.

 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Exactly illegal aliens are not subject to US jurisdiction. They are supposed to be detained and summarily deported like any other invader or intruder.
If we started grabbing foreign citizens at the US airport entries, and apprehend them for US federal tax evasion, and froze their bank accounts until they paid back taxes, or drafted them into the US military, or demanded they buy appropriate health care insurance in compliance with the ACA, their host countries would be outraged, declaring we do not have the jurisdiction to do such a thing.

We do not have full jurisdiction over their person, because they are citizens of another nation.

We have the limited jurisdiction over foreign citizens visiting the US. We have jurisdiction over our laws which govern the behavior of foreign citizen guests in our country. We have legal jurisdiction over their conduct, and can deport them if their behavior is improper. We do not have the type of jurisdiction over their person, as does the nation they are citizens of.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Sorry but you are still hopelessly wrong. The Constitution is above the reach of the Congress except by the amendment process.

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really


then explain...


Eighteenth Amendment (ie part of the constitution) to the United States Constitution prohibited the production, sale, and transport of "intoxicating liquors", it did not define "intoxicating liquors" or provide penalties.


CONGRESS had to come up with a law that defined both



so congress came up with the Volstead act, which defined both




btw The National Prohibition Act, known informally as the Volstead Act, was passed by congress and upheld by the supreme court ... yet 12 years later.. the act and the CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT were abolished
 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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False, no it doesn't. The plain language says subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Well, regarding naturalization, so basically ANYTHING related to the process of a foreigner becoming a citizen, CONGRESS is the sole holder of jurisidiction. And if you are illegal, then you are OUTSIDE of that process...you voluntarily put yourself outside of it.

So no, illegals are not citizens, they can not create a citizen either. Only a citizen can make another citizen, just like only a cat can make a kitten. A dog can't make a kitten.
Spot on.

By breaking our immigration laws you voluntarily placed yourself outside of US jurisdiction.

It's like a man who steals a TV at Best Buy, then a month later takes it back for warranty repairs, or replacement. Because you broke the law, you do not get to avail yourself of the other protections afforded by those same laws.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:44 PM
 
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If we started grabbing foreign citizens at the US airport entries, and apprehend them for US federal tax evasion, and froze their bank accounts until they paid back taxes, or drafted them into the US military, or demanded they buy appropriate health care insurance in compliance with the ACA, their host countries would be outraged, declaring we do not have the jurisdiction to do such a thing.

We do not have full jurisdiction over their person, because they are citizens of another nation.

We have the limited jurisdiction over foreign citizens visiting the US. We have jurisdiction over our laws which govern the behavior of foreign citizen guests in our country. We have legal jurisdiction over their conduct, and can deport them if their behavior is improper. We do not have the type of jurisdiction over their person, as does the nation they are citizens of.
Oh really? From what statute are non-diplomatic foreign visitors immune? Lmao. This is woefully inaccurate

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Old 11-01-2018, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The 18th was repealed by the 21st amendment, in record time I will add.

Only way to get rid of an amendment is to create pass and then get 2/3 of the states to ratify.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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Yes it is. If an illegal alien, a cop without a warrant, or a foreign soldier breaks in and occupies your home, they are all intruders or invaders regardless of the exact identification or classification of the intruder or invader. Being present inside the US jurisdiction without authorization makes one an intruder or invader.
It's a classification YOU are using. It's not an official classification. It's a word that is meant to trigger an emotional response. And you certainly have been triggered.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:52 PM
 
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Exactly illegal aliens are not subject to US jurisdiction. They are supposed to be detained and summarily deported like any other invader or intruder.

Jose Inez Garcia Zarate was convicted for being a felon in possession of a firearm in the Kate Steinle case.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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False, no it doesn't. The plain language says subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Well, regarding naturalization, so basically ANYTHING related to the process of a foreigner becoming a citizen, CONGRESS is the sole holder of jurisidiction. And if you are illegal, then you are OUTSIDE of that process...you voluntarily put yourself outside of it.

So no, illegals are not citizens, they can not create a citizen either. Only a citizen can make another citizen, just like only a cat can make a kitten. A dog can't make a kitten.
And a human being can't make another human being. Ooopsie!

A human being who is born on American soil and is not the child of someone who enjoys diplomatic immunity is born an American citizen. Illegals aren't making them citizens. American law is making them citizens.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 02:54 PM
 
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Exactly illegal aliens are not subject to US jurisdiction. They are supposed to be detained and summarily deported like any other invader or intruder.
Of course they are subject to US jurisdiction. We can arrest them and prosecute them for committing crimes, can't we?
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