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You have some "male privilege" or some kind of privilege if you can get away with that behavior and still keep your job. If would not fly in my workplaces, as we needed to have confidential meetings, trust and a positive team attitude. As a matter of fact I gave a thumbs down to a new guy because he tried to pull this and he was let go. I was not a manager but my (male) director trusted me and gave him his walking papers.
So, a guy doesn’t take steps to protect himself from a false accusation, and he’s ****** by a false accusation. But if a guy does take steps to protect himself from a false accusation, you still make sure that he is ******. And women wonder why men are taking steps to protect themselves. SMH.
Is is abundantly clear that the conclusions in the OP referenced article are spot on. Bravo! women, good job.
Being alone with a MAN in a room, or even an elevator, is risky. The risk is very low, but it can easily be avoided.
The risk of a female being assaulted/ harassed is far greater than a male being falsely accused of assault/ harassment.
OK, let’s turn it around. Don’t ever be alone with a man. Looks like an ever increasing number of men in the workplace will be perfectly content with that.
What is the supporting evidence that men are fired from a single accusation with no investigation. It is often difficult if not impossible to get proof unless you are able to video record the encounters but of the cases I read there were multiple accusations.
Of course women are as capable of false accusations as men are of knowing their actions are inappropriate. This has been asked and not addressed but what exactly would the point be to make false accusations? Money? Political agendas? Revenge?
In my field, the point would be female students hoping to improve a poor grade, and female faculty members trying to ensure positive tenure and promotion decisions. Revenge can figure prominently in some of those cases, but it certainly isn’t a required component.
Let’s say you are right. Let’s say that men have no defense, and some women make false accusations. Under your own scenario, it doesn’t matter if you meet or mentor women, or if you never speak to them. A woman can make the accusation that you groped her in a conference room and you are done for.
So understanding that there is literally no defense if your assertions are correct (I don’t believe they are, but will accept them for the sake of discussion), then it makes logical sense to treat women like human beings and deal with them as equals.
Again, for the umpteenth time, the issue is that false accusations happen in spite of treating women like human beings and dealing with them as equals.
Creepy, it seems you missed the point. It was in my OP (post #1 of this thread) at the bottom:
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This of course has profound implications for women's careers - everyone needs senior mentors to help you climb the corporate ladder, and far too many senior would-be-mentors find the downside risk to mentoring young up-and-coming women to be too great.
This is not good for our economy in the long term.
Mentors are important, especially for a person of any gender who aspires to the highest ranks of large corporations. It is especially true of, say, 45 year old employees who hope to move from a middle manager (director) to a VP or SVP or a corporate VP or SVP. You're not going to make that jump on your own. It is also true for 55 year old employees who are senior managers (SVP) hoping to make the move to executive managers (EVP) and one day to C-Suite.
Please re-read the paragraph above. Note I'm talking about people in their 40s and 50s who are already successful by most measures. Part of the analysis of the dearth of women in the C-Suites is due in part to the dearth of women in the feeder ranks of EVPs, which in turn is due in part to the relevant dearth of women in senior management SVPs and middle management Directors and VPs.
The subject of the article I posted is that senior and executive managers who are men and who behave themselves by all objective measures -- even religiously following the suggestion of one post on this thread and treating all women they way they would their own mother and sister, well, these men are concerned about unwarranted careericide.
I didn't read into it the idea of blatant false accusations of, say, assault or rape or threats.
I read into it the idea that men who by all measures behave in accordance with the highest standards are still worried that someone, somewhere will still feel offended and harassed.
Remember: the legal standard isn't about what the man does. The legal standard is about how a woman feels. No person has the ability to control how another person feels.
All of this will have profound negative implications for our economy going forward.
All of this will have profound negative implications for our daughters and granddaughters who aspire to the highest ranks of corporate achievement.
Creepy, the rest of your post is just a rant. I hope you feel better.
Well, there is no defense if a man is known to spend one on one time with a colleague at work. It is then very easy for her to accuse a man of harassment. In cases when it is women's word against men, she is given a benefit of the doubt.
However, if a man literally never spends time with any woman at work, just says hi and bye then it is very hard to convince anyone that he has done anything inappropriate...
If we're talking about middle managers interacting with 2nd level reports and 1st level reports, yes there is something inappropriate. That middle manager isn't doing his job. Hewlett Packard used to call it "MBWA" -- Management by Wandering Around. It is often through those casual interactions in the hallway or walking in from the parking lot that useful information is transferred and course-corrections are implemented.
A middle manager who ignores women because he's worried about careericide may be protecting himself from unfounded allegations, but he isn't doing his job.
Men, with their uncontrollable lumps in their pants and too much power created this. Good for the new rules, maybe the disgusting, creepy, men will keep their hands off women now.
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I am a man loving woman!
Ha ha, threw you off a bit huh!?
Yes, I absolutely LOVE men! They are the best, tastiest thing ever! But it has to be mutual and not a power thang. But ones that can't control themselves deserve complaint!
You sound very volatile and erratic, to be honest.
No, the situation described in the OP really has nothing to do with women reporting rape. Someone having lunch or dinner with a colleague, or sitting next to them in a plane, has nothing to do with incidents of assault. It's hard to believe that men can't understand that.
So, what does this ridiculousness mean? Are we going to see men-only companies, and women-only companies developing? This is such BS. #metoo is just being used as an excuse to get away with age-old employment discrimination against women. It's quite obvious. Any idiot can see the difference between assault, and quid-pro-quo hiring decisions, vs. having a business lunch with a colleague, or discussing business in the office, behind a closed door.
How about discussing an episode of Seinfeld while on a business trip?
And Judge Kavanaugh's memory is crystal clear on that issue.
I know. Lots of small plates, including:
Oscietra caviar served in a crustacean gelée dotted with cauliflower puree
Duo of beetroot and apple, young shoots of herbs served with green mustard sorbet
Avocado & Scottish Salmon cannelloni with crème fraîche
Frog leg kadaif fritter with red miso and Espelette pepper
Truffled langoustine ravioli in a foie gras sauce with simmered green cabbage
Deep fried and pureed artichoke with a turmeric chickpea cappuccino
Sea urchin flan on potato puree topped with Arabica coffee foam
Seared scallops in green curry with young leek
Rose Shrimp in bonito tuna and kombu seaweed broth with ginger
John Dory fillet with shiso leaf tempura on squid ink risotto
And you didn’t invite me?! Ass hole!
* Before mods or anyone gets their panties in a twist, Sporty and I are friends from another section of this forum. It’s a joke.
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And women wonder why men are taking steps to protect themselves. SMH. 
