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Old 12-14-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I might have considered voting Republican in the next election. I really don't like the Democrats because they do a lot of things that harm America. But it's out of the question in my mind now. I will support only Democrats going forward. This is NOT making America great again in any way, and it does tremendous harm to our country.

This issue is too important, and it's a disgrace to so many partisans agitate for freedom from healthcare. Obamacare is flawed - but without an adequate replacement (here's a clue: the only good alternative is universal healthcare), it is absolutely inane to dismantle it.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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This will surely be appealed, likely all the way to the SCOTUS. However, with this ruling of unconstitutional at the first stop, it is not an auspicious beginning.
This doesn't impact me so I'm hardly an expert. But a quick google for a friend who is impacted shows that the mandate was not found to be unconstitutional, nor the law itself. In fact, on that the Supreme Court has already ruled. Constitutional ... so the thread is a bit misleading.

What the Judge found to unconstitutional was the ACA paired with the Trump/Congressional law to zero out the mandate.

And, worse, the Texas Judge then departed from the Administration policy of separating the mandate from the remainder of the ACA, which not having a functional replacement a Republican Congress left in place.

His logic in doing THAT is being described as tortuous and, of course, will be subject to appeal.

He is overturning last year's Republican Congressional action that Trump rubber-stamped.

Trump ran on having a big beautiful health care plan. Maybe he could now FINALLY share it?

Now like I said, I don't follow these issues that closely. This is only my take after a 5-minute google that led to a quick text to a friend.

Feel free to be more specific (accurate).
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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The Republicans cheering this and calling it a victory must be dumber than a sack of bricks because when millions of people start seeing their health coverage at risk or lost, it's like handing the next election to the democrats.

The demographic that might lose health insurance was already voting Democrat.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:27 PM
 
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What ever happened to the Republicans finding a better solution?

Oh that was just a shame? We’re gonna make a bad situation even worse and remain the only country that will allow you to die because you can’t afford your medical bills? What a surprise!!!
The solution was never to mess with it in the first place. Liberals can own this abortion.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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All Republicans do is destroy destroy destroy. All they care about is making life worse for people. Amazing the party of Jesus celebrating people losing their healthcare and dying. But, as long as some brown people and gay people can suffer and die that’s worth it to Republicans. Absolutely dispicable time in American history we are living through. Absolutely dispicable.
Oh for heaven’s sake, go cry into a pillow.

Ridiculous dramatic hyperbole from you as always.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The demographic that might lose health insurance was already voting Democrat.
Most of the people I know who have ACA policies are self-employed, and early retirees. Are these Democrats? Anyway, as I said above, the ACA is much, much bigger than just health insurance policies. If it were actually repealed with no replacement, it would devastate the health industry in the US.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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Roberts declared that Obamacare was a tax. The tax has been legally removed (The mandate is gone) Roberts said without the tax, the plan would be unconstitutional. Roberts ruled that neither the Commerce Clause nor the Necessary & Proper Clause gave Congress the right to enact Obamacare.

This does not mean Roberts can't make something up. They do it all the time, but I doubt he can wiggle out of this.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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A federal judge in Texas has ruled the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional, finding that the law cannot stand now that Congress has rolled back the mandate that everyone carry health insurance or pay a fine.

The new ruling poses a significant threat to the Affordable Care Act’s most popular and most sweeping health insurance reforms. If affirmed at higher courts, it could roll back Obamacare’s ban on preexisting conditions. Insurers would once again be able to charge sick patients higher premiums.

The Trump administration had partially supported this lawsuit, filing a brief asking the court to overturn Obamacare’s ban on preexisting conditions.

The Court finds the Individual Mandate ‘is essential to’ and inserverable from ‘the other provisions’ of the ACA,” judge Reed O’Connor wrote in a late Friday ruling.

Legal experts on the left and the right believe the arguments being made by Republican-led states are, on their face, uncompelling and unlikely to succeed in overturning the Affordable Care Act.

At the same time, there is a history of lawsuits that most legal experts thought were unpersuasive nonetheless putting ACA in mortal danger — first the lawsuit against the individual mandate and then the challenge to insurance subsidies.

The history of the case further down.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/14/18065...xas-rulingRead t
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:30 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Yep, you can tell morality is out the window. They are no longer the party of values and morals. Instead of being excited for American citizens, they want to stick it to Obama. The right can't produce a better healthcare option. If they did it would have happened a long time ago. No president in history will go down as bad as Treasonous Trump is going down.
They don't want to produce a better plan. It would take money out of their pockets. That applies to both parties.

Get the lobbyists out of DC and money out of politics and then maybe we can start talking about an affordable health care plan for all.
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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Someone made a good point on Twitter:

The five justices who vote to uphold the ACA in 2012 are still on the Supreme Court. It will likely be upheld again.
You do realize that it was upheld as a tax law, right? Now the tax component is gone. Chief Justice Roberts actually wrote that opinion himself.

I get that the SCOTUS can overturn previous precedents. But it surely would be unprecedented to see a chief justice overrule an opinion that he himself wrote just a few years ago.

Don't you think?
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