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Old 12-18-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Never mind that CNN and their spin is widely seen as politically corrupt. What's next, heartland conservatives thinking that they have successfully spiked the ball in the face of progressives because of Fox News spin? Lol... CNN is as politically inclined as the DNC itself. In fact, its a de facto arm of the DNC.

Nevermind the deep seated MSM anti-Trump corruption in the election. That much free propaganda should have been counted as DNC campaign contribution.

Never-mind all of the corruption that is behind the instigation of many of these so called investigations.

Ignore the pre-election interference by the deep state in the form of the anti-Trump letter signed by 200 "NatSec" Neocons as unelected members of such,

Ignore the FBI and justice department investigatory double standards,

Ignore the deleted texts and emails,

Ignore the DNC collussion with the Russians to attain the fake Steele Dossier,

Ignore the DNC's role in using Russian disinformation to sow discord in this nation,

Ignore the attempted undermining of the agency of the American Voter him / herself as their decisions are framed as being not due to their personal views and interests but due to supposed foreign election "interference" (the practical difference between that and domestic media propaganda, much by citizens and companies holding two passports, has not been clarified),

Ignore the undemocratic targeted harassment of everyone surrounding a duly elected POTUS, not to "investigate" but to bring down a white whale because one political faction in this nation lost an election.

Yes, there is deep undemocratic corruption here. The perception of such in the broader populace being very important to the future of this nation. In spite of the Left's grand risk with the social and political integrity of this nation, they have not made it clear how they will reverse the deep distrust that they have been hellbent on sowing for decades and that they have chosen to ramp up to insanity levels in the past decade.

Ask yourself what the long term game could be.

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Old 12-18-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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Mueller is a Republican, not a Democrat, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
No one is "spinning" anything, except for you.

This spin includes demanding adherence to semantics that do not have any valid meaning in the modern day, as we saw with Trump's election and all of the Neocon (Social Communist Warhawks bent on protecting Israel's interests first)...ahem...I mean "Republican" opposition to him in the election period and the conservative base's utter refutation of their protests (and decades long perfidy) in favor of their own conservative interests.

In fact, the first "spin" came when Neocons sought to supplant the meaning of true conservatism starting in the 1950's when the Communist New York Intellectuals started the effort. Need a fuller history lesson? Let me know.

Your appeal to semantics is laughable at best, but in reality is disingenuous to the detriment of your rhetorical credibility.

You can call Mueller a "Republican" if it makes you feel better. That does not imply that he has any de facto conservative cache or can be held to be a symbol of unpartisan / bipartisan prosecution of Trump. Everything that we have seen in the past few years from the fake-conservative Neocons completely invalidates what you are attempting to imply.

Remember, this nation is its people.

It is not defined by monied, powerful minority factions that are deeply embedded in the State. It follows that conservatism is the Trump base, and not the corrupt Neocons that are both vainly and desperately trying to hold onto their undeserved power and influence. The latter is who you are referencing.
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Old 12-18-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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This cannot be good for Mushroom Donny.


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Old 12-18-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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No one is "spinning" anything, except for you.

This spin includes demanding adherence to semantics that do not have any valid meaning in the modern day, as we saw with Trump's election and all of the Neocon (Social Communist Warhawks bent on protecting Israel's interests first)...ahem...I mean "Republican" opposition to him in the election period and the conservative base's utter refutation of their protests (and decades long perfidy) in favor of their own conservative interests.

In fact, the first "spin" came when Neocons sought to supplant the meaning of true conservatism starting in the 1950's when the Communist New York Intellectuals started the effort. Need a fuller history lesson? Let me know.

Your appeal to semantics is laughable at best, but in reality is disingenuous to the detriment of your rhetorical credibility.

You can call Mueller a "Republican" if it makes you feel better. That does not imply that he has any de facto conservative cache or can be held to be a symbol of unpartisan / bipartisan prosecution of Trump. Everything that we have seen in the past few years from the fake-conservative Neocons completely invalidates what you are attempting to imply.

Remember, this nation is its people.

It is not defined by monied, powerful minority factions that are deeply embedded in the State. It follows that conservatism is the Trump base, and not the corrupt Neocons that are both vainly and desperately trying to hold onto their undeserved power and influence. The latter is who you are referencing.
What a bunch of gobbledygook.
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Old 12-18-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Great analogy.....
.

Except it's not.

There was no "noise complaint" other than the crying over a political outsider winning an election that he wasn't supposed to win.


Also in your analogy, police still need "reasonable suspicion" in order to conduct a search during a complaint call. And even then they have to ask permission in lieu of a warrant.

In this case, the "warrant" that was approved by the FISA court was obtained with unverified evidence.
Comey admitted as much during his closed door testimony to Congress.
The docier again? I guess the lame Nunes memo which was supposed to clear Trump that said at the end that it was Papadopoulos bragging to an Australian diplomat about meeting with Russian's that sparked the investigation, is what? Fantasy? Nice try. Maybe Flynn should spout these "alternative facts conspiracy theory" at his sentencing today? Lets see how far that gets him. (FYI, the judge said he wanted to charge him with treason but couldn't because we are not at war.)
Don't you think it's a tad ridiculous to believe that a FISA warrant can over turn all of the convictions and co-operations? This has nothing to do with a "political outsider" winning a race and everything to do with what looks like a criminal enterprise in our white house. You will have to face the facts sooner or later that these are serious allegations that need to see the light of day. Country First!
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Not if he engaged in election fraud.

That's looking more and more likely.


Sure if he is proven to have engaged in election fraud (not just campaign finance violations same as President Obama and Bernie Sanders), Trump will doubtless be impeached and removed. But until it is proven, we have nothing, and he remains the duly elected POTUS.

To say otherwise is Alice in Wonderland material: conviction & sentence first, trial later.
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:17 PM
 
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Sure if he is proven to have engaged in election fraud (not just campaign finance violations same as President Obama and Bernie Sanders), Trump will doubtless be impeached and removed. But until it is proven, we have nothing, and he remains the duly elected POTUS.

To say otherwise is Alice in Wonderland material: conviction & sentence first, trial later.
After today, I’m sure there is much more illegal activity that Trump was involved in than what has come out so far. Far, far more dishonesty...
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Sure if he is proven to have engaged in election fraud (not just campaign finance violations same as President Obama and Bernie Sanders), Trump will doubtless be impeached and removed. But until it is proven, we have nothing, and he remains the duly elected POTUS.

To say otherwise is Alice in Wonderland material: conviction & sentence first, trial later.
This ball game is only in the bottom of the 7th inning.

tRump is down, 17 - 0 and his bullpen is weak.

No ten run mercy rule in this league, either.

It's gonna get worse.

What goes around, etc.

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Old 12-18-2018, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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This ball game is only in the bottom of the 7th inning.

tRump is down, 17 - 0 and his bullpen is weak.

No ten run mercy rule in this league, either.

It's gonna get worse.

What goes around, etc.

Meaningless analogy. Anyone can make up any such analogy. A Trump supporter could come along and claim that we're in the 4th inning, and Trump is ahead. The burden of proof is always on the prosecution, after all. In such an analogy, anyone can say anything. Therefore it's dispositive of NOTHING.
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Old 12-18-2018, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Meaningless analogy.
It's a fine analogy that just doesn't suit your politics.
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Anyone can make up any such analogy. A Trump supporter could come along and claim that we're in the 4th inning, and Trump is ahead.
And that would be as meaningless as a statement from Huckleberry Sanders.
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The burden of proof is always on the prosecution, after all. In such an analogy, anyone can say anything. Therefore it's dispositive of NOTHING.
Of course it isn't proof of anything.

But the indications are clear.

The walls are closing in on the tRump crime family and his executive privilege will only go so far in keeping the wolves at bay.

We'll have fabulous political entertainment over the coming months.

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