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Old 12-17-2018, 05:16 PM
 
Location: FL
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Plenty of never Trumpers have an R after their name.....

Doesn't mean anything.

Remember it wasn't just the Dems who lost to Trump.

It was also 16 other mostly establishment Republicans who got their asses handed to them in the Primaries.

There was a lot of hurt feels and bruised egos to go around on both sides.

The "investigation" may not have named Trump as a suspect but that's what the investigation has always been about since day one.

When you have an entire party and even others outside the party calling for his impeachment before the election was even over, the bias against him is pretty clear.
Actually, Trump made it about himself since day one.
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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That's how a criminal investigates !!! When Comey is brought up on charges of lying to congress you will understand that, maybe.
Just because Trump said so, doesn't make it true. Didn't you know that he lies every day?
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:53 PM
 
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Having connections with Russians isn't a crime in itself.

But it certainly could be used to make one look guilty by association, especially by a skilled interrogator like those at the FBI.


And all this is ignoring that Comey committed perjury when he claimed that the information in Steele dossier was verified when he was applying for the FISA warrant that was used as justification for the investigation.

Are you not familiar with the legal concept of "fruit of the poisoned tree"?
Burr: "At the time of your departure from the FBI, was the FBI able to confirm any criminal allegations contained in the Steele document?"

Comey: "Mr. Chairman, I don't think that's a question I can answer in an open setting because it goes into the details of the investigation."

If the dossier in its entirety were total bunk, there would have been no need for Comey to suggest meeting Burr in a closed session. The fact that Comey suggests meeting in a place where intelligence can be discussed is an indication that the dossier included at least some sensitive information.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...steele-dossie/
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Old 12-17-2018, 06:56 PM
 
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Feel free to provide evidence that he was...
You mean like the multiple links that people have made to Trump specifically? Of how Trump was certainly aware of all of these activities going around him? He was called out specifically in Cohen's sentencing, for instance.

Just like any good Mob boss, this isn't surprising that he was aware of the shenanigans happening all around him.
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Old 12-17-2018, 06:59 PM
 
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Great analogy.....
.

Except it's not.

There was no "noise complaint" other than the crying over a political outsider winning an election that he wasn't supposed to win.


Also in your analogy, police still need "reasonable suspicion" in order to conduct a search during a complaint call. And even then they have to ask permission in lieu of a warrant.

In this case, the "warrant" that was approved by the FISA court was obtained with unverified evidence.
Comey admitted as much during his closed door testimony to Congress.
Insider Bob strikes again.

How do you know what they knew when the investigation started?

The fact is you don't.
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Old 12-17-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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What made you think that Trump was the target of this investigation? The purpose was always to understand how (or if) the Russians attempted to influence our elections. Turns out along the way, Mueller discovered that a number of people in the Trump campaign broke the law. Might turn out in the end that Trump is a lawbreaker too, but at this point no one knows. Which is not surprising since an investigation of this scope should easily take a couple of years. Just look at Watergate as one example.
Someone understands the basic history.
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Old 12-17-2018, 07:11 PM
 
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A poster posted this in another thread. It's very detailed, though read.

Here is an interesting take on what Individual 1 has been hiding. It's a good read. People have been saying for months that Individual 1 is compromised when it comes to Russia. Well. Mueller might have him.
The court filing revealed what many had long suspected, that Trump and his family had used, or tried to use, his presidential candidacy, and then his presidency, to enhance their own wealth.

We also learned finally what hold Russian President Vladimir Putin has over Trump. It’s not as some suspected, a money laundering episode from more than a decade ago. It was something that happened in real time during the presidential election itself. Thus, Trump himself repeatedly stated since entering the presidential race in June 2015 that he had no business in Russia and no interactions with representatives of Russia. It now turns out that Putin knew what the American people didn’t, namely that Donald Trump was throughout the 2016 presidential primary campaign secretly negotiating to build a huge and lucrative hotel in Moscow, which required the personal support of Vladimir Putin. The fact that Putin knew about Trump’s secret dealings, while the American people didn’t, meant that if Trump didn’t do what Russia wanted, Russia could expose Trump’s lies and so bring him down.

The filing revealed that Mueller’s Office is now investigating the hypothesis that Donald Trump, his campaign, his organization and his associates participated in a massive election fraud, through five interlocking conspiracies—arguably the worst set of crimes against the United States in its history.


For some time, it’s been obvious that Donald Trump has been acting in a weird way towards America’s adversary, Russia. Until recently, the miscellaneous bits and pieces of the Trump-Russia jigsaw puzzle didn’t fit together in any coherent way.

Conspiring with Russia
The Moscow Trump Tower Project
Currying Favor with Russia
Hiding the conspiracies
Enabling hard kompromat

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevede.../#4d1ee28448f6
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Old 12-17-2018, 07:17 PM
 
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A poster posted this in another thread. It's very detailed, though read.

Here is an interesting take on what Individual 1 has been hiding. It's a good read. People have been saying for months that Individual 1 is compromised when it comes to Russia. Well. Mueller might have him.
The court filing revealed what many had long suspected, that Trump and his family had used, or tried to use, his presidential candidacy, and then his presidency, to enhance their own wealth.

We also learned finally what hold Russian President Vladimir Putin has over Trump. It’s not as some suspected, a money laundering episode from more than a decade ago. It was something that happened in real time during the presidential election itself. Thus, Trump himself repeatedly stated since entering the presidential race in June 2015 that he had no business in Russia and no interactions with representatives of Russia. It now turns out that Putin knew what the American people didn’t, namely that Donald Trump was throughout the 2016 presidential primary campaign secretly negotiating to build a huge and lucrative hotel in Moscow, which required the personal support of Vladimir Putin. The fact that Putin knew about Trump’s secret dealings, while the American people didn’t, meant that if Trump didn’t do what Russia wanted, Russia could expose Trump’s lies and so bring him down.

The filing revealed that Mueller’s Office is now investigating the hypothesis that Donald Trump, his campaign, his organization and his associates participated in a massive election fraud, through five interlocking conspiracies—arguably the worst set of crimes against the United States in its history.


For some time, it’s been obvious that Donald Trump has been acting in a weird way towards America’s adversary, Russia. Until recently, the miscellaneous bits and pieces of the Trump-Russia jigsaw puzzle didn’t fit together in any coherent way.

Conspiring with Russia
The Moscow Trump Tower Project
Currying Favor with Russia
Hiding the conspiracies
Enabling hard kompromat

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevede.../#4d1ee28448f6
The funny thing is Trump read some of these materials, and didn't realize that "individual 1" is actually him!

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Old 12-17-2018, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Trump was duly elected President. The way to get rid of him would have been to beat him at the ballot box. What this all represents is the criminalization of politics. That's a VERY bad idea.

I remember saying back in the Bill Clinton era that it was a bad mistake to try to investigate him out of office. Remember that Paula Jones only gained traction when she linked up with a conservative think tank called the Rutherford Institute. That meant she had resources, and then it was 'off to the races.' I predicted back then that the war of investigations would only escalate over time. I believe I have been proven right.
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Old 12-17-2018, 07:28 PM
 
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I don't know if someone already posted this but here's a quick guide to the ongoing legal investigations of Trump: as of 12/17/18

1. By special counsel Robert Mueller:
-- Russian government’s election attack (the Internet Research Agency and GRU indictments)
-- WikiLeaks
-- Middle Eastern influence targeting the Trump campaign.
-- Paul Manafort’s activities for Trump
-- Trump Tower Moscow project
-- Other campaign and transition contacts with Russia
-- Obstruction of justice

2. By the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York:
-- Campaign conspiracy and Trump Organization finances
--Inauguration funding
--Trump super PAC funding
--Foreign lobbying

3. By the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia:
-- Maria Butina and the NRA

4. By the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia:
-- Elena Alekseevna Khusyaynova, alleged chief accountant of the Internet Research Agency, charged with activity that went above and beyond the 2016 campaign.
-- Turkish influence, including Michael Flynn’s plea agreement

5. By New York City, New York State and other state attorneys general:
-- Trump taxes: City officials are investigating Trump’s tax payments, as is the New York State Tax Department.
-- The Trump Foundation

6. By Attorneys general for Maryland and D.C.:
-- Emoluments clause. They issued subpoenas earlier this month for Trump Organization and hotel financial records relating to their lawsuit that the president is in breach of the "Emoluments Clause" of the Constitution, which prohibits the president from accepting payments from foreign powers while in office.

Note: Even if Trump pardons himself or is pardoned his successor, violations of state laws could still put him in jail.
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