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Old 01-17-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Her people were bamboozled into voting for a Brexit in the first place. They are going to hold another referendum and this time, it will fail by a large margin. Goodbye May and the Conservative government and goodbye Brexit.
Her people being the Brits? Talk about condescending. There was a multimillion pound campaign financed by the UK Government outlining the outcomes of voting. Are you claiming that reading in Britain is an unusual skill?

Here's the facts. By law, the UK leaves the EU on March 29th. It takes an act of Parliament to stop. If you hold a referendum you have 70 days or less to plan, arrange, publicize, campaign then hold it, and count results. Neither major party leaders have agreed to a second referendum, indeed both are on record as stating they will respect the first one. It would need to be agreed to in parliament.

If instead a General Election is called, then it has to be held within 70 days, and the new government signed in before March 29th, and it would need to be a majority party that would reject the first referendum.

Even then Article 50 cannot be withdrawn without a legally recognized statement of withdrawal, this may mean a second referedum is needed even after a change of government, to meet the legal recognition criteria.

Europe will not extend Art 50 longer than end of April 2019, since in May there is an election for the EU Commissioner, and an extension longer than EOM April would then permit the UK to vote in that election.

So would you like to riddle me that, how it gets stopped? BREXIT going ahead has zero moving parts. BREXIT being stopped has multiple moving parts.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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'The Economist' is predicting the rise of more populism in Europe putting the future of the EU in to further question.

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Old 01-17-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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'The Economist' is predicting the rise of more populism in Europe putting the future of the EU in to further question.

Another Putin dream come true.


Now . . if he can just break up Nato . . .
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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There are those who want another Brexit vote. Some believe that they were lied to before and that in light of what they've all learned over the past two years, the smart thing is to make sure that folks really want to go through with this.
It has been kind of interesting to see the slide from "We'll have an extra 350 million punds for the NHS" to "We'll have to hire some extra ships to make sure our islands are supplied".
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: England
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It has been kind of interesting to see the slide from "We'll have an extra 350 million punds for the NHS" to "We'll have to hire some extra ships to make sure our islands are supplied".
I didn't take any notice of the Brexit guff, any more than the remain guff. All that concerned me was the prize of getting out of the EU.

Project Fear didn't work before the vote, and it isn't working now. We want out, whatever the price.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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IMO, Jeremy Corbyn's actions yesterday & today have pretty much insured that a no-deal BRexit will happen.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Steve McDonald View Post
Her people were bamboozled into voting for a Brexit in the first place. They are going to hold another referendum and this time, it will fail by a large margin. Goodbye May and the Conservative government and goodbye Brexit.

Keep voting until they get the results they want?

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Her people being the Brits? Talk about condescending. There was a multimillion pound campaign financed by the UK Government outlining the outcomes of voting. Are you claiming that reading in Britain is an unusual skill?

Here's the facts. By law, the UK leaves the EU on March 29th. It takes an act of Parliament to stop. If you hold a referendum you have 70 days or less to plan, arrange, publicize, campaign then hold it, and count results. Neither major party leaders have agreed to a second referendum, indeed both are on record as stating they will respect the first one. It would need to be agreed to in parliament.

If instead a General Election is called, then it has to be held within 70 days, and the new government signed in before March 29th, and it would need to be a majority party that would reject the first referendum.

Even then Article 50 cannot be withdrawn without a legally recognized statement of withdrawal, this may mean a second referedum is needed even after a change of government, to meet the legal recognition criteria.

Europe will not extend Art 50 longer than end of April 2019, since in May there is an election for the EU Commissioner, and an extension longer than EOM April would then permit the UK to vote in that election.

So would you like to riddle me that, how it gets stopped? BREXIT going ahead has zero moving parts. BREXIT being stopped has multiple moving parts.
Nothing is going to happen on March 29. Parliament will say brexit is not possible without a deal. This will extend indefinitely because the British demands are unrealistic.

Interesting how you switch brexit=no moving parts, no brexit=multiple moving parts. You are confusing a single statement with all the actual changes brexit implies. Trade, finances, and social policies will continue with the EU. In the end, money matters, not voting.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Keep voting until they get the results they want?

Nothing is going to happen on March 29. Parliament will say brexit is not possible without a deal. This will extend indefinitely because the British demands are unrealistic.
The EU would have to agree to ANY extension. There is no point to any extension since the EU is not willing to budge.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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The EU would have to agree to ANY extension. There is no point to any extension since the EU is not willing to budge.

That will be exactly the point. The EU want them to stay. The British want all the privileges of being a member. In reality politicians both in Britain and rest EU want the UK to stay. The tricky part is how to maintain the illusion of democracy. They'll just keep negotiation to no end.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Canada
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That will be exactly the point. The EU want them to stay. The British want all the privileges of being a member. In reality politicians both in Britain and rest EU want the UK to stay. The tricky part is how to maintain the illusion of democracy. They'll just keep negotiation to no end.
No they don’t. They just want a trade agreement. As I pointed out in one of these threads, Canada had a free trade agreement with the EU. Japan does too. So does Mexico.
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