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View Poll Results: should we transition away from the concept of the privately-owned vehicle?
Yes, sooner rather than later! 23 5.26%
No allow privately-owned vehicles, but only if the owner can show need. 9 2.06%
no. 387 88.56%
other (please explain below). 18 4.12%
Voters: 437. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-19-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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There is nothing sacred about being able to own a car. It's not in the US Constitution.

In this era of mass transit, Uber, Lyft, etc. the private car is on its way to being obsolete. All that is needed is a good legislative kick in the pants to send the privately-owned vehicle on its way.

The benefits would be multifarious. We would not need to have scores of different models and makes. Young males would no longer feel a need to have a model that can do 200 MPH to impress the ladies. It would generally eliminate the 'keeping up with the Joneses' problem when it comes to vehicles. Instead, automobiles could be engineered for maximum environmental friendliness.

We have already as a country seen fit to highly regulate cars. Airbags, seatbelts, etc. are now mandatory. Police spend much of their time issuing tickets for driving violations. This would just be taking the next step.

I am not an engineer, but it seems obvious that when autonomous vehicles come along, it will be much better if today's non-autonomous vehicles can be eliminated. The AVs will be able to readily able to communicate with each other, as machines, but the non-AVs will present a problem. They will be like beetles in an ant colony, causing nothing but problems. What do you think?

"In this era of mass transit, Uber, Lyft, etc. the private car is on its way to being obsolete. All that is needed is a good legislative kick in the pants to send the privately-owned vehicle on its way."

Sounds like another city slicker "I know everything" leftist who want to take MORE freedoms from us.

Have you EVER been outside the city and seen a 10,000 acre ranch where the closest city or town in is 10 to 15 miles away?

They don't even know what "rural" is.

Some can't see past their noses!
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Old 01-19-2019, 06:40 AM
 
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"In this era of mass transit, Uber, Lyft, etc. the private car is on its way to being obsolete. All that is needed is a good legislative kick in the pants to send the privately-owned vehicle on its way."

Sounds like another city slicker "I know everything" leftist who want to take MORE freedoms from us.

Have you EVER been outside the city and seen a 10,000 acre ranch where the closest city or town in is 10 to 15 miles away?

They don't even know what "rural" is.

Some can't see past their noses!
True-

I drive a Chevy truck as my daily driver and love it. However, I have many classic cars with huge V-8 engines and manual transmissions that get about 6 miles to a gallon and generate massive amounts of carbon to **** off liberals.
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Old 01-19-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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It seems our little Travis is hell bent on controlling what other people do...such a good little facist.
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Old 01-19-2019, 06:51 AM
 
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It seems our little Travis is hell bent on controlling what other people do...such a good little facist.


Most liberals ARE authoritarians who want to regulate, control, and dictate how others live. The funny thing is that they do not realize that they are fascists at heart!


If liberals were actually "liberal", they would support individual rights over the power of a central government. However, the opposite is true- liberals want and seek an ever expanding central government which exists and prospers at the expense of individual liberties.


If you are a confident, determined individual, of course you believe that you can make better decisions for yourself than the federal government. Those who are less confident and optimistic seek the "comfort" of a controlling "nanny state" and are perfectly willing to sacrifice individual liberties in exchange for what they perceive as "security".
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:01 AM
 
Location: PSL
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ROFL

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Originally Posted by travis t View Post
There is nothing sacred about being able to own a car. It's not in the US Constitution.

In this era of mass transit, Uber, Lyft, etc. the private car is on its way to being obsolete.
Wrong. Uber/Lyft, are privately owned vehicles performing a livery/taxi service.

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All that is needed is a good legislative kick in the pants to send the privately-owned vehicle on its way.
LOL emotional tyrant. I suppose you have a point... bumpstock ban violates the right to private property we will see what happens with the lawsuits and if it stands for no compensation but orders for destruction/forfeiture to .gov...


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The benefits would be multifarious. We would not need to have scores of different models and makes.
You mean Nefarious.

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Young males would no longer feel a need to have a model that can do 200 MPH to impress the ladies.
LOL jokes on you. I can make a pickup truck go 200mph if that was what I desired. I could care less what others thought of it. I don't buy vehicles to impress or gain approval from others. I buy vehicles that benefit me in some sort of capacity.
Whether it's a Cadillac or a pickup or muscle car is irrelevant. What others opinions are, are irrelevant.


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It would generally eliminate the 'keeping up with the Joneses' problem when it comes to vehicles.
LOL Ahh yes... kill individuals form of expression, kill innovation, kill the desire to be independent via controlling another private market... Straight out of Orwells 1984.

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Instead, automobiles could be engineered for maximum environmental friendliness.
LOL Ahh Muh environmentz!

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We have already as a country seen fit to highly regulate cars. Airbags, seatbelts, etc. are now mandatory.
LOL I deactivate air bags traction control stability control and ABS in my vehicles.
That crap does not benefit me one bit. It is a hindrance. Far as safety goes, there is nothing safe about some namby pamby software taking readings from yaw rate sensors and commanding a forced idle condition while sideways, there is nothing safe about increased stopping distances with an ABS motor pulsating the calipers taking its sweet time to slow a vehicle down. There is nothing safe about limiting torque output from take off or at acceleration while in motion or from a dead stop.
There is nothing safe about airbags that cause irreversible traumatic brain injuries.

As long as you are strapped in to the seat, have a full perimeter frame, have a collapsible steering shaft. You'll walk away just fine from a collision. Add a cage and you can walk away from roll overs too.


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Police spend much of their time issuing tickets for driving violations. This would just be taking the next step.
LOL you really think states are willing to forfeit their primary source of revenue from the form of traffic violations?! ROFL!

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I am not an engineer, but it seems obvious that when autonomous vehicles come along, it will be much better if today's non-autonomous vehicles can be eliminated.
LOL I have seen faults glorious faults with simple parking aid systems leading to low speed collisions and damage. Absolutely no way in hell are autonomous vehicles viable.

Exhibit A north east road salt corrosion leading to sensor circuit wire corrosion.
Your body control module works like a volt meter. When you mess with a circuits resistance you effectively make the sensors go blind. I have had everything from boomer status symbol King Ranch and Platinum F250-450s to the econobox offerings come in with bumper damage. Ohh my back up beeper didn't work! It just went off right before impact! Of course it did. You have green fuzzy wires back there duh... the circuits resistance changed and gave a false reading telling the body control module its all clear...

When ford came out with the adaptive cruise control nonsense... first time those vehicles went down snow covered roads following another vehicle, snow drafting up covering the sensors... Muh Cruise control doesn't work! Well. No chit. Try cleaning the front bumper off maybe...

Short of arbitrarily raising costs of manufacturing by utilizing gold wire or fiber optics, autonomous vehicles will not be viable. Prove me wrong. You cant. You can present to me laboratory conditions you can not produce for me real world conditions and failures.

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The AVs will be able to readily able to communicate with each other, as machines, but the non-AVs will present a problem. They will be like beetles in an ant colony, causing nothing but problems. What do you think?
LOL communication...

You've no idea how easy it is to alter a "communications" network in a vehicle.
Go ahead and put one of those vehicles to market. Within 48 hours I'll have all of the information needed to show how to deactivate systems and subsystems.

Also the first inclement weather system that rolls through will render that nanny state device useless. Never mind corrosion issues among circuits, sensor failures and faults, etc etc.

I am every nanny statists worst nightmare in living form. You draft up anything you deem safe, I have ways to disable it. You don't have a say in my safety. You've no idea what safe is. You've no say in what I spend my money on.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Anyone so worried about their carbon footprint can voluntarily become worm food as the ultimate solution.
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Old 01-19-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by travis t View Post
There is nothing sacred about being able to own a car. It's not in the US Constitution.

In this era of mass transit, Uber, Lyft, etc. the private car is on its way to being obsolete. All that is needed is a good legislative kick in the pants to send the privately-owned vehicle on its way.

The benefits would be multifarious. We would not need to have scores of different models and makes. Young males would no longer feel a need to have a model that can do 200 MPH to impress the ladies. It would generally eliminate the 'keeping up with the Joneses' problem when it comes to vehicles. Instead, automobiles could be engineered for maximum environmental friendliness.

We have already as a country seen fit to highly regulate cars. Airbags, seatbelts, etc. are now mandatory. Police spend much of their time issuing tickets for driving violations. This would just be taking the next step.

I am not an engineer, but it seems obvious that when autonomous vehicles come along, it will be much better if today's non-autonomous vehicles can be eliminated. The AVs will be able to readily able to communicate with each other, as machines, but the non-AVs will present a problem. They will be like beetles in an ant colony, causing nothing but problems. What do you think?
Reasonable for a city, less so for the suburbs, and down right silly for rural areas.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:06 AM
 
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I don’t wish to live in an ant colony, even a well functioning one.

Is that what you aspire to?

What kind of ant would the op be?
Not a soldier ant...
Nor a worker ant ...
Maybe the pampered queen ...
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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ROFL



Wrong. Uber/Lyft, are privately owned vehicles performing a livery/taxi service.
Obviously true, but the point is that the business model is tailor made for transformation into being entirely government owned and operated. Nobody has a problem with government-owned roads and bridges. Why not have government-owned vehicles as well? Imagine the cost savings if there are only, say, 5 or 6 models, all painted the same color, and all designed for utility and environmental friendliness?



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You mean Nefarious.
credit where credit is due; that's a good one!

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LOL I deactivate air bags traction control stability control and ABS in my vehicles.
That crap does not benefit me one bit.
I believe these are all federal felonies. Be careful what you post--the NSA is ALWAYS listening!
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:51 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Obviously true, but the point is that the business model is tailor made for transformation into being entirely government owned and operated. Nobody has a problem with government-owned roads and bridges. Why not have government-owned vehicles as well? Imagine the cost savings if there are only, say, 5 or 6 models, all painted the same color, and all designed for utility and environmental friendliness?



credit where credit is due; that's a good one!



I believe these are all federal felonies. Be careful what you post--the NSA is ALWAYS listening!
What you're describing is socialism/communism. No.

You're talking to someone who does have well, did have, problems with NY state owned government roads. Nothing like paying the crown all that property and fuel tax for pot holes big enough to swallow a buick, killing tie rod ends, ball joints, and sway bar links, with salt thrown down to deteriorate your privately owned property which must meet state arbitrary standards to be operable on said roads.

Those are not federal felonies...
There is no law stating at the federal level said devices need to be operational either.

You're talking to a former Ford dealer technician that also held DOT and NYSI license for cars and trucks up to medium duty.

That airbag light could be lit up on the dashboard. Notifying you the driver that a fault was present in the restraint control system. I couldn't fail it. I could note it. But couldn't fail it.

Far as the NSA goes?
Catch me outside how bout dat.
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