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Old 01-27-2019, 01:17 AM
 
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More and more, MAGA hats will likely be put aside in drawer or.... burned, buried.
They probably bleed when the wearer sweats. They just look so cheap and tacky.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:58 AM
 
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Why Can't Conservatives Admit that the Trump is a Corrupt Con Man?

Why Can't Lefties Admit That The Obama/Clinton Was Completely Corrupt And That The Only Difference Was No One Appointed A Special Counsel?
Now, just because one is taught to not like someone, there is no reason to merely attach false characteristics to a person, which levelheaded individuals will not do, and do not need to "admit" to something falsely created that is not proven to be the case. Also it is the reason there was no need to appoint a special counsel for those not having warranted such.

Otherwise, the difference being that if one exhibits negative traits such as dishonesty and having a proven record of questionable and corrupt activities, creating chaos, harm, etc., then there are undeniable reasons for them to be unlikeable by honest individuals.


* Just to mention, regular words in a sentence do not need to be capitalized.

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Old 01-27-2019, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Why can't Liberals admit that Trump's policies are working including our Energy Policy which has helped reduce the cost of energy worldwide, and is devastating the Russian economy, and Putin's power?
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:18 AM
 
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Why can't Liberals admit that Trump's policies are working including our Energy Policy which has helped reduce the cost of energy worldwide, and is devastating the Russian economy, and Putin's power?
If their lives were 100% better because of Trump, they would never admit it and still hate him!
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:22 AM
 
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You can judge him however you like, that's up to you and I support your right to do that. I tend to look at things a little differently. I've had more than 1 close friend and business associate get caught cheating on their spouse over the years. People I was close to and trusted. I don't think that means that people should suspect me of cheating on my wife, that **** isn't contagious.
Not the same thing.
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:33 AM
 
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1. He is most likely NOT a billionaire, but even if he was, he did NOT do it himself. He got his money from his dad. He actually was being paid millions by his dad at 8 years old. What can an 8 year old do to earn that kind of money?

2. Many of his business ventures failed (bankruptcy, anyone). He has had 6 bankruptcies. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy within weeks of its filing but was later closed. His Castle Hotel remains in operation under a different name, The Golden Nugget, and bondholders own 1/2 of it. Trump Plaza closed in September 2014, putting more than 1,000 people out of work. The Trump Plaza Hotel in Manhattan remains in operation, but most of it is no longer owned by Trump. Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, a holding company for Trump's three casinos, entered Chapter 11 in November 2004 as part of a deal with bondholders to restructure $1.8 billion of debt. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy less than a year later, in May 2005, with a new name: Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. and again he gave up half his ownership of the resort. Trump Entertainment Resorts, the casino holding company, entered Chapter 11 in February 2009. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy in February 2016 and became a subsidiary of investor Carl Icahn's Icahn Enterprises. Icahn took over the Taj Mahal then sold it in 2017 to Hard Rock International, which said it was planning to renovate, rebrand, and reopen the property in 2018.

3. He doesn't pay his bills or his debts. He got a tax break for stiffing his contractors. Trump was able to use more than $900 million in paper losses to reduce his taxable income via a loophole in the code that allowed losses of private businesses registered as S-Corporations to flow to their owners, even when they didn’t put an of their own cash into the companies, which is where the name double dip comes from.

4. Trump has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits by some estimations and others report even more than that number, up to 4,000.

5. Trump's personal driver has sued him for not paying him his contracted overtime. Edward Friel, Jr. owned a cabinet business and Trump refused to pay him his final installment. He ended up having to file bankruptcy due to this nonpayment. A paint seller, Juan Enriquez, also never got his final payment for his paint shipment and a judge ruled for him in court. Larry Walters who sold curtains to Trump ended up having to settle for less than he was owed and ended up closing his business. Forest Jenkins, a toilet maker, was nearly ruined because Trump didn't pay when he went bankrupt.

6. Trump won't hire US citizens at Mar-a-lago. He prefers to use H2B visa workers. Only one out of 144 jobs went to a US worker from 2016 to the end of 2017. Foreign guest workers with H-2B visas got the rest.

This is not the way most American businessmen do business, even other real estate men.
It is not the way most in society will function, his being of very flawed character and so emotionally unstable, but with cash, having faked his way through, having negatively affected others with his problems. He only got by due to having been given $$, but did not know how to handle it, learning he could manage by lying, cheating, deceiving, paying off and hiding behind the idea of appearing successful, all the way to the W H...now having been exposed.

I don't know how anyone can know of his past and believe he is acceptable, besides being allowed to be in a position to affect others lives. It's just horrendous. Would his followers like to be working for such a cheat who would take advantage of them and not care about their welfare? His actions, manner, decisions, etc., prove he is incapable and unsuited to lead, let alone not one to associate with.

If some still think he gives a damn about them or ever would, think again.
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:39 AM
 
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If their lives were 100% better because of Trump, they would never admit it and still hate him!
And if Conservative's lives would become much worse due to him, they would never admit it and still love him!
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:48 AM
 
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More and more, MAGA hats will likely be put aside in drawer or.... burned, buried.
Thinking back to those ubiquitous G.W. Bush bumperstickers that fell out of favor, and how soon MAGA hats will also be dissolved from sight.

Blast-from-past: GW standing in front of sign reading "A home of your own." Big push then was for Americans to take advantage of easy credit to buy a house. Not long after mortgage/housing crisis sent country into a tailspin many never recovered from. Not that plenty of hedge fund managers, lobbyists and politicians didn't take advantage to enrich themselves from dodgy credit qualifying, low/no down payment loans to naive house buyers. Remember those big electronic billboards on our nations highways advertising EZ credit, no-down, low interest loans? I do. MAGA to my thinking is but an inane, simplistic slogan appealing to those feeling disenfranchised after Obama's two terms. When this Trump debacle finally plays out, there's going to be a long national hangover.
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Old 01-27-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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There are a certain (large) percentage of people who wish they could be con men themselves...or otherwise dupe people for sex, money and fame.

If these people called out Trump in his game it would ruin their fantasies of being like him.
It goes for both sides, conservative and liberal. There are some individuals who aspire to be the kind of con man that they look up to. And this is sad. It is like admiring the street gangster.
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Old 01-27-2019, 06:54 AM
 
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4 people sentenced to prison
7 guilty pleas
37 people and entities charged
199 criminal counts


When a large chunk of Trump's inner circle is in jail, served time or has been indicted, isn't that an obvious factual clue that the entire Trump White House is crooked, corrupt and criminal, including the president himself?

What's it going to take for conservatives to finally admit that Trump is a corrupt con man and Republicans should no longer support him?
IMO....

Because many conservatives feel that democrats are way more corrupt, and that the media will never tell the truth on this matter because they are complicit. Conservatives simply don't have that level of power and reach as the vast majority of the media (which acts as a megaphone) isn't on their side.

I say that not to excuse the ongoing legal issues with Trump's staff but rather point out that what democrats are doing right now is even sleezier and more dangerous to our democracy than anything Trump or his staff have done. Democrats have shown that all they seem to care about is stealing back control of the country rather than actually working across the aisle to solve complicated problems. That's a big red flag in my book!

Bottom line: Trump's position on every issue has been pro-American in tone and response. He wants to make this country stronger and restore our country's integrity on the world stage. His messaging reflects this. Democrats appear to want just the opposite as they have fought him on literally everything he has done or wants to do, in full public view, in front of our enemies, which does nothing but embarrass the US, and erode our allies confidence in us.

I say all of this not as a Trump supporter, but as an independent.
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