Financial abortion: Should men be able to 'opt out' of parenthood? (stats, cost)

[2mares]

Originally Posted by SFit

The first, obviously. Men and women both drop out of school and raise children with no support system. Thats not something only women go through.

So you believe women have abortions against the wishes of the father because they dont want to lose their figure or give up certain foods. Wow.
How many men do you know who dropped out of school and raised their child as a single parent with no support system (mom raising it).
For that matter how many women do you think choose to abort when they have the full support of the father?
yeah I can see it a pregnant married women whose husband wants a child gets an abortion because she planned on going on a cruise and wants to fit into her bikini and drink wine. That probably at least 50% of abortions, right.

[itshim]

Originally Posted by ringwise

I find it unfair that a woman can kill a man's child, even against a man's wishes, because she does not want to have a child.

I find it unfair that a man cannot opt out of supporting a child he does not want, under any circumstances.

Yes, it's unfair to men. They lose in both instances.

Agreed

[2mares]

Originally Posted by ringwise

I find it unfair that a woman can kill a man's child, even against a man's wishes, because she does not want to have a child.

I find it unfair that a man cannot opt out of supporting a child he does not want, under any circumstances.

Yes, it's unfair to men. They lose in both instances.

Wait a minute there. A woman can not kill a mans child and not be prosecuted for murder. Unless of course it was self defense.

You mean a women can abort her fetus without a mans consent dont you.

[bmccormick71]

Originally Posted by jjrose

Because only one gender is physically pregnant. When the man is pregnant I 100% believe that they should have the final say in giving birth or not.

If men could become pregnant, abortion would be a constitutional right and there would be a drive through clinic on every street corner.

[AFP]

Originally Posted by miu

Maybe it's time to legalize prostitution. That way, men can have all the no-strings-attached sex they want.

No disrespect meant but are you volunteering your mother, your sisters or perhaps your daughters?

[NomadicDrifter]

Originally Posted by AFP

No disrespect meant but are you volunteering your mother, your sisters or perhaps your daughters?

It's not up to you to volunteer them, it's their choice.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by NomadicDrifter

That's fine, the woman can choose to give birth. But the man should be able to choose to opt out of child support (and access to the child itself) if done responsibly and early on in the pregnancy.

Maybe I could agree to a pre sex contract, but not an after the fact situation. Maybe if the couple signed a contract before sex that he would not be held financially liable for any pregnancy that may arise from their union. Then she would know going in that he would opt out, and he is on record stating that he has no intention of being financially responsible for any child. Both parties would go into sex knowing where the other stands.

[AFP]

Originally Posted by NomadicDrifter

It's not up to you to volunteer them, it's their choice.

Would you want your mother, sisters and daughters being the neighborhood wh@res? It's all hunky dory than for you right? Or would you want a better life for them.

[NomadicDrifter]

Originally Posted by jjrose

Maybe I could agree to a pre sex contract, but not an after the fact situation. Maybe if the couple signed a contract before sex that he would not be held financially liable for any pregnancy that may arise from their union. Then she would know going in that he would opt out, and he is on record stating that he has no intention of being financially responsible for any child. Both parties would go into sex knowing where the other stands.

I don't see why it needs to be before sex, but I do see why it needs to be very early on in the pregnancy. If it's within 1 month of conception, abortion is just a matter of taking a pill, with very little side effects or physical difficulty to the woman. If she doesn't like his choice, abort it. But if it's more than say 1 month, then I can see why this is putting the woman in a undue burden, and a man can no longer opt out.

[NomadicDrifter]

Originally Posted by AFP

Would you want your mother, sisters and daughters being the neighborhood wh@res? It's all hunky dory than for you right? Or would you want a better life for them.

No, of course not. But I cannot give permission, unless it's my daughter and she is in my custody. But when she reaches adulthood, she can choose whatever she wants. I'll say I'm against this or that, but at the end of the day I'm powerless. Talking about 'volunteering your woman' smells of ugly patriarchy to me.