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Old 02-10-2019, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I have always seen the articles above the constitution.

Some problems are that states are two big and powerful, so in my mind the federal politics should be at a county and local level, within smaller states (break up big states like California, Texas, etc.).

Secondly its economics. A corporate economy doesn't work well with confederacy, but lowering the economic growth rate by giving production into worker hands can help (among other means).

The Holy Roman Empire, the south, etc. had a model than can help turn us away from imperialism, corporatism, and financial disasters.

And the central government would facilitate disputes, acting like a court, but would hold very little power otherwise.

And no need for tax money means Amazon, etc. can't use infrastructure to control the economy at large.

Lower standard of living for sure, but without debt and federal borrowing, it should work (remember the articles was when the US was heavily in debt).

So who's with me?
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Pork is the best meat.

Prove me wrong.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The only good political system is a non-existent one.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Pork is the best meat.

Prove me wrong.
Pork is disgusting. And Pigs are beautiful creatures.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The only good political system is a non-existent one.
I know you're very ideologically driven on anarchism.

But out of curiosity, if you could, would you rate the Articles of Confederation over the constitution?

Just wondering.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I know you're very ideologically driven on anarchism.

But out of curiosity, if you could, would you rate the Articles of Confederation over the constitution?

Just wondering.
Of course the A of C was better. Still slavery but a less-harsh brand.

Also, I'm logically and morally driven on anarchism. There is no social contract and no man has the right to rule over another.
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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I have always seen the articles above the constitution.

Some problems are that states are two big and powerful, ....
?? All I can say is don't drink and post.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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I have always seen the articles above the constitution.

Some problems are that states are two big and powerful, so in my mind the federal politics should be at a county and local level, within smaller states (break up big states like California, Texas, etc.).

Secondly its economics. A corporate economy doesn't work well with confederacy, but lowering the economic growth rate by giving production into worker hands can help (among other means).

The Holy Roman Empire, the south, etc. had a model than can help turn us away from imperialism, corporatism, and financial disasters.

And the central government would facilitate disputes, acting like a court, but would hold very little power otherwise.

And no need for tax money means Amazon, etc. can't use infrastructure to control the economy at large.

Lower standard of living for sure, but without debt and federal borrowing, it should work (remember the articles was when the US was heavily in debt).

So who's with me?
Not you, according to your claims of anarcho-socialism/anarcho-,syndicalism. Unless entry to the confederacy you support is purely voluntary.

I'm also not sure what your screed on corporate economies and giving production to workers has to do with a confederacy. Surely the intent would be a collective of self governing entities (call them what you will) to enter into a mutually beneficial agreement, but the internal functions of each entity is opaque to the confederation. Those entities would be able to formulate their own methods of internal commerce, only at the boundaries would they need synchronisation (import/export). If this isn't the case, then it's more or less the same as we have now, where the Federal/Confederate government enforces functions within political entities under its control.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:35 AM
 
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Pork is disgusting. And Pigs are beautiful creatures.


Tell that to the ranchers and farmers in Texas and Oklahoma. We hunt hogs there and stack up about 20 in an evening. It makes a good meal for the mountain lions, bobcats, and coyotes.


Hogs are destroying the ecosystem in those states.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Tell that to the ranchers and farmers in Texas and Oklahoma. We hunt hogs there and stack up about 20 in an evening. It makes a good meal for the mountain lions, bobcats, and coyotes.


Hogs are destroying the ecosystem in those states.
Search up how pigs are treated in factory farms.
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