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Old 02-11-2019, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Not you, according to your claims of anarcho-socialism/anarcho-,syndicalism. Unless entry to the confederacy you support is purely voluntary.

I'm also not sure what your screed on corporate economies and giving production to workers has to do with a confederacy. Surely the intent would be a collective of self governing entities (call them what you will) to enter into a mutually beneficial agreement, but the internal functions of each entity is opaque to the confederation. Those entities would be able to formulate their own methods of internal commerce, only at the boundaries would they need synchronisation (import/export). If this isn't the case, then it's more or less the same as we have now, where the Federal/Confederate government enforces functions within political entities under its control.
The problem I was pointing out was simply scale.

A large corporate based system (we didn’t real have that in the 18th century, but national debt and production were still factors) is hard to maintain in a confederate system as large scale investment into public infrastructure, response to inflation, etc.

So I claimed that in the case of a cooperative economic system with little need for large scale economic planning, and communities based around local workplaces, a confederate structure would work better.

That’s all.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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?? All I can say is don't drink and post.
Two= too.

Ok, one typo, I’m sorry.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:05 AM
 
Location: North America
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My head hurts.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Pork is disgusting. And Pigs are beautiful creatures.
I agree with your latter statement. But the former is demonstrably wrong:

BACON.

There's no argument against it. And even if there was:

Pulled pork.

Our friends South of the border join the chorus:

Carnitas!

Now, you'll have to find some real Mexicans from the Yucatan region to do this justice. But even bacon can be surpassed. With Pork there is no limit:

Al Pastor! Imagine a gyro... but made with pork. Smoked and roasted with pineapples and chili peppers dripping over it. When done correctly, it's the best thing I've ever tasted.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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Is a confederacy the best political system?

We tried it originally and it proved unsatisfactory. Later, the southern states revived the idea, but it showed us that type of organization was an impediment to organizing a credible defense (one of the most important core functions of government) against a powerful foe. So much so that the organization almost immediately began to evolve into a centralized state, and the governor of Georgia threatened to secede from the Confederacy!

I have mixed feelings about it. I think it can have applications in some situations, the Benelux Union is a good example. It needs to be intentionally very loose and voluntary, the more rigorous and inflexible the union, the less likely to succeed and get chucked for another arrangement.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I agree with your latter statement. But the former is demonstrably wrong:

BACON.

There's no argument against it. And even if there was:

Pulled pork.

Our friends South of the border join the chorus:

Carnitas!

Now, you'll have to find some real Mexicans from the Yucatan region to do this justice. But even bacon can be surpassed. With Pork there is no limit:

Al Pastor! Imagine a gyro... but made with pork. Smoked and roasted with pineapples and chili peppers dripping over it. When done correctly, it's the best thing I've ever tasted.
Nope, it’s disgusting. Bacon makes you sick, and the grease is repulsive.

When I went to China, all they had is pork and I was getting sick.

See the difference between beef hotdogs and pork hotdogs. Can you really claim the former is not better?
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Is a confederacy the best political system?

We tried it originally and it proved unsatisfactory. Later, the southern states revived the idea, but it showed us that type of organization was an impediment to organizing a credible defense (one of the most important core functions of government) against a powerful foe. So much so that the organization almost immediately began to evolve into a centralized state, and the governor of Georgia threatened to secede from the Confederacy!

I have mixed feelings about it. I think it can have applications in some situations, the Benelux Union is a good example. It needs to be intentionally very loose and voluntary, the more rigorous and inflexible the union, the less likely to succeed and get chucked for another arrangement.
I agree, but more than just an international agreement, I think it should also be an intra-government set up.

So countries as small as Switzerland or as large as the US should have a central government and a single currency, but all the council municipalities should be cut up into towns/counties, and then maybe smaller region, then a state council, and then the head government which facilitates currency and disputes between different municipalities.

Also in the case of the US, states should be smaller. So the Gulf coast Texas, North Texas, Border area Texas, and West Texas should all be their own state. Similar distribution for a place like California.

Its dangerous to have one state that is all powerful as it undermines the concept of confederacy.
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