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Old 02-15-2019, 09:33 PM
 
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I thought they were having children later in life? that seems to be the trend


That largely applies to college educated, and perhaps white and or a few other demographics. Such women do delay marriage and children (if they have any of the latter at all), until after they've established themselves in a career. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h-age-gap.html


Ironically this also feeds into something else; the boom in IVF and surrogacy.


For nearly 60 years (if not longer) females were sold a bill of goods that birth control (usually the Pill) was not only safe and reliable, but they could stop at anytime and be able to conceive. Well that hasn't turned out to be exactly true.


Many women go on the Pill in late teens or so and remain on until they marry and or are ready to begin a family (usually in their 30's or even later these days); only to find out in many instances nothing is happening. Their GYN tells them they are "healthy" and "normal", and that "just give things time" but still nothing happens.


Turns out Mother Nature is not to be fooled with, and female fertility remains pretty much where it has for ages. Female fertility peaks during her twenties and first half of thirties, after which it starts to decline, with advanced maternal age causing an increased risk of infertility.


You can see where this is going, can't you? Those decades coincide with a young woman attending, graduating college and or launching her career. This is why you see so many "older" white females resorting to IVF (which often does not work), or simply going straight to surrogacy. Proof of this can be seen in the increased number of twins/multiple births among elderly primigravida.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Forest Service Cabin-90% of the yr. Sis & I inherited it and I bought her out.
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That largely applies to college educated, and perhaps white and or a few other demographics. Such women do delay marriage and children (if they have any of the latter at all), until after they've established themselves in a career. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h-age-gap.html


Ironically this also feeds into something else; the boom in IVF and surrogacy.


For nearly 60 years (if not longer) females were sold a bill of goods that birth control (usually the Pill) was not only safe and reliable, but they could stop at anytime and be able to conceive. Well that hasn't turned out to be exactly true.

Many women go on the Pill in late teens or so and remain on until they marry and or are ready to begin a family (usually in their 30's or even later these days); only to find out in many instances nothing is happening. Their GYN tells them they are "healthy" and "normal", and that "just give things time" but still nothing happens.


Turns out Mother Nature is not to be fooled with, and female fertility remains pretty much where it has for ages. Female fertility peaks during her twenties and first half of thirties, after which it starts to decline, with advanced maternal age causing an increased risk of infertility.


You can see where this is going, can't you? Those decades coincide with a young woman attending, graduating college and or launching her career. This is why you see so many "older" white females resorting to IVF (which often does not work), or simply going straight to surrogacy. Proof of this can be seen in the increased number of twins/multiple births among elderly primigravida.
Great info! Thank you!
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Why can´t most families live on single income anymore?
Why can't most families exist without massive debt to keep up with the Jonses?
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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While I agree teachers are woefully underpaid for the most part (some administrators are way overpaid), how can you justify the wage at 200K for teaching when the avg. for a police officer is 50K? You going to raise them to 300? Generalizations don't work. The problem with education is we've gotten away from what education should be, reading, writing and arithmetic, and turned it into a giant gaslighting project on our children of different ideologies. Teaching based on personal opinions has ruined education.
$200,000 for a teacher? In most of Northern California the average for an elementary teacher is around $65,000 and cops get $90,000 -$120,000. Prison guards in California get more than teachers.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Back in the 1950s, people 'survived' on one or zero cars. They had one TV, one vacuum cleaner, sometimes a phone. They didn't eat out much. There wasn't any fast food. They often rented. Their homes were small.

Today's poorest person would consider the 1950s' standard of living as third-world.
Absolute nonsense. I grew up in the 50's and 60's, I was the child of a factory worker. My parents owned a decent 3 bedroom home, we had a nice car and we ate well. We weren't wealthy by any means but miss me with the "third world" comparison. No one ate out as often then as people do now, and in a single wage earner family there still is no compelling reason to have more than one car.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Women should work just like the men. The days of a woman staying home is way over. It takes two to pull the load anymore. Some women make even more than their husbands. Women are smart and they know this.
And who will pay for the childcare? My stepson and his wife paid $1500 a month for childcare for their son until he was old enough for kindergarten. How many people do you think can afford that?
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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In the past, it was a social stigma to collect welfare and other social welfare. Yet today many of the poor are "breeding" with the intention of getting more money from a screwed up system that has responsible working couples holding off on having a kid/s "until they can afford them", yet paying for other irresponsible breeders to be paid for out breeding them.

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Given that the average increase in welfare cash for an additional child is $60 a month your comment makes absolutely no sense. You spend more than that on diapers and wipes in a month
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Thisthread reminds me that there are a lot of people out here who don't understand basic finance and are just regurgitating nonsense they've been fed by rich people about why poor people are poor.

If they just did the math, they'd see the numbers don't work. And it has nothing to do with smartphones or TVs.
But it's one of their only opportunities to poor shame/poor blame which makes them feel so much better about themselves...
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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For 180 work days/year? I call BS. Everyone else has to work 250 days/year for their income.
Call BS all you want...most of the teachers I know work another job in the summer because they can't live on $50,000 a year.
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:37 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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This question is not specific to the US, but if capitalism brings so much wealth (and it does) why can´t families survive on a single income anymore like in the past when usually only men worked and women were not in the workforce?
Same pay ... cost of living increased as well as federal withholding taxes.
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