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Old 02-18-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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1) From a collective bargaining position, women entering the workforce expanded the labor supply. The ideal for a union is a closed shop where labor supply is controlled by workers. In the 50s, half of the population was locked out of the workforce, which drove up wages for the other half. A common response to those who complain about the wage gap is that if businesses could get away with paying women less they would hire more women than men. And that is by and large what happened in the last 40 years.

2) We became dumber and workers from other countries became smarter. This has nothing to do with the sexes, but frankly American workers are far lass skilled, comparatively, than they used to be. Jobs are not a birthright and every generation has to earn them. This means every generation has to take education seriously.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:32 PM
 
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Built in obsolescence. My mother used her manual typewriter from high school throughout her entire life. She only stopped using it when she couldn't find any more ribbons. I wish computers would last even a quarter that long.

People are constantly buying newer flatscreen TVs, phones, various electronics, new cars, refrigerators, etc. It's a disposable society. No one knows how to fix the old stuff.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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"The school year in Oklahoma is beginning with nearly 500 teaching vacancies – despite the heavy reliance on underqualified emergency instructors."

Are you debating whether or not there is a teacher shortage? If so, I would suggest you do some research on that subject.
And what exactly is the definition of "underqualified?"

"Underqualified" by whose standards? The union? Other teachers? The State? Some pundit with an axe to grind?

The State of Ohio required seven courses for teacher certification. I was a secondary education major, not a primary education major.

Of the seven courses, only three were taught by professors, the other four were taught by "street people" and only one person out of the 7 had any secondary education experience.

The sole person happened to also be my advisor and while he had secondary education experience, it was teaching 7th & 8th Grade, not high school.

The story so far...

The State of Ohio has people who never taught high school teaching people how to teach high school.

That's not making a lot of sense, but then it is government, and I'm sure it makes a whole lot of sense to bureaucrats in government.

The Psychology of the Learner was a course taught by a professor, and she had taught primary school some 20 years earlier. Unfortunately, we were all secondary education majors, and we needed to know how to apply that to high school students, not 1st Grade students.

The course was of little to no value.

Classroom Management was taught by a professor, too, and he had taught primary school. The course was geared toward primary school, which is unfortunate, because we're all secondary education majors.

The way you manage a classroom in high school is not the same way you manage a classroom in 2nd or 3rd Grade, and what idiot what discipline a sophomore in the same way you'd discipline a 1st Grader?

Another course was taught by what we call a "street person." They weren't affiliated with Miami University, and they didn't get paid. What they got was credit to take a course for free in exchange for teaching a course.

Ostensibly, the purpose of this course was to teach us how to incorporate reading into our classroom instruction, but the street person, who taught elementary school was instead teaching us how to teach students how to read.

As an elementary school teacher, it's his job to teach students how to read, not our job. Students are supposed to know how to read before they get to high school. It got pretty wild, because some of the women were right up in his face ready to punch him out, they were so thoroughly aggravated.

Anyway, the point is none of us were actually qualified to teach high school, in spite of the fact that the State said we were.

So, saying they're "underqualifed" by State standards doesn't really mean anything at all.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Never underestimate the power of the Right to drag everyone down! Doing away with the middle class wasn't enough....increasing poverty and inequality was not enough...stripping virtually 100% of wealth from hispanics and blacks (great recession) was just a starter for them.
The "Right" did not cause the recession, and if Blacks and Hispanics lost their wealth, it was probably because they bought a house they couldn't really afford, but the Clinton Administration said they could afford it.


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A Jet costs millions yet I just flew 1200 miles for $83
Yeah, so?

A passenger plane might average 150 passengers per flight, with four flights per day, 365 days each year, for 20-40 years.

That's about 219,000 passengers per year per plane.

What's your point?

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MRI costs in China...same machines!

CR/DR 100RMB($15)
CT scan non-contrast 400-500RMB($70-80)
MRI non-contrast 700-800RMB($120-140)

MRI's in Japan are $160. Same machines...in general.

US MRIs can be had for $250-800 for a spinal non-contrast.

That's not very expensive.
You have conflated the cost of an MRI machine with the cost of MRI services.

I hope you're not suggesting that 219,000 people use a single MRI machine each year, because that would be stupid.

The average MRI time is 30-40 minutes per patient, not including prep-time or down-time after the MRI.

In a single 8-hour day, an MRI can handle 9-10 people. Maybe 11 people. In a 10-hour day, maybe 11-13 people.

In a year, a single MRI will handle about 2,550 people, which is not even remotely close to 219,000 people.


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What would happen if Government raised its price to 200,000 minimum a year?
Nothing, unless tax-payers approved it.

All States fund education differently, but generally at least some funding is based property tax.

In order to get a pay raise for teachers, the school board has to sell it to the voters in the school district to vote to approve an increase in property taxes.

In some school districts, there are citizens who are very active in the community, and you cannot get a levy approved by the voters, unless you get the blessing of these community groups.

These community groups will back school levies, but not if there's pork.

They will point out the excessive salaries of school administrators, or administrative positions that shouldn't exist, or other items in the school district's budget that can be eliminated, so that teacher salaries can be increased without the need to increase property taxes.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I don't buy it. If you taught school other than being some kind of adjunct professor you would know that teachers have to do work outside of the classroom.
No, they don't. If they're doing work outside of normally scheduled hours, it's because they don't know how to properly manage their time, and usually they're in the teacher's lounge gossiping instead of doing work.

There is no teacher in the US who teaches seven straight class periods, and there hasn't been for decades.

Every single teacher in the US gets a minimum of one free class period per day, and the vast majority get two free class periods per day.

At most, they teach five, maybe six class per day, not seven.

If teachers are staying late, or taking work home, then it's because they don't know how to properly manage their time or classes.

I was not an adjunct professor. I was TA. I got paid a stipend of $10,000 (that was 15 years ago). Teaching is a required part of certain graduate school programs at the university. You can put it off, and some did, preferring to do all of their course-work in one year, then teach the next, but then it takes 2 years to get your Master's.

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LOL!! Earth to Mircea!!

BULL you did

Really? that is one hell of a job where a Teacher grades quizzes and tests when/if they feel like it
I never stated or implied any such thing. You did.

I graded course-work during office hours, which was 2 hours a day, three days a week.

Since I wrote the quizzes, I, um, you know, know the answers to the questions, so it takes like 20 seconds to grade a quiz. I can grade 100 quizzes easily in less than 40-45 minutes.

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What supply and demand? Teacher's salaries are not determined by the free market, they're determined by bureaucrats.
The Free Market still plays a role.

If it wasn't for unions, teachers would get paid better, especially if D Russell Lee's scheme was adopted.

D Russell Lee was an educator.

His scheme was you pay in excess of Free Market salaries to attract the best and brightest, but you only keep them seven years, then kick them out, and you do that by paying crap salaries to journeymen teachers.

Then you pay teachers with 12-15 years of successful outstanding experience high salaries.

The problem is unions would never allow that, because for one thing, unions insist on school districts and only school districts granting tenure.

Once a teacher has tenure, it's almost impossible to fire them, but the thing is, since only the school districts grant tenure, teachers stay at the same schools until they get tenure, but then they refuse to leave, because leaving means losing tenure.

But, if the State granted tenure based on objective measures, then teachers are now free to move about at will.

A teacher no longer has to stay at the same school to get tenure, they can move around to other school districts within the city, within the county, in adjacent counties and across the State.

Then once the State grants tenure to a teacher, the teacher is still free to move around.

D Russell Lee saw that as a way to solve at least some problems in inner-city and rural schools.

You attract the best and brightest to stable environments like suburban schools, let them get seven years of experience, then kick them out, and let them work their magic in inner-city and rural schools, then bring them back later, if they want to come back.

But, you can't do that if only school districts are allowed to grant tenure.

Three times a Bill has been introduced in the Ohio legislature to grant tenure on a State-wide basis, but every time, the unions ran to Columbus and were successful in stomping it down.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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This question is not specific to the US, but if capitalism brings so much wealth (and it does) why can´t families survive on a single income anymore like in the past when usually only men worked and women were not in the workforce?
Because politicians raised taxes on the middle class to pay for all those entitlement programs since the mid-1960s. Compare the percentage of taxes taken out of a middle class paycheck in 1960 vs. today. It is obscene. Higher state taxes, higher federal taxes, higher local taxes, fewer tax deductions.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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And what exactly is the definition of "underqualified?"
"Underqualified" by whose standards? The union? Other teachers? The State? Some pundit with an axe to grind?
The State of Ohio required seven courses for teacher certification. I was a secondary education major, not a primary education major.
Of the seven courses, only three were taught by professors, the other four were taught by "street people" and only one person out of the 7 had any secondary education experience.
The sole person happened to also be my advisor and while he had secondary education experience, it was teaching 7th & 8th Grade, not high school.
The story so far...
The State of Ohio has people who never taught high school teaching people how to teach high school.
That's not making a lot of sense, but then it is government, and I'm sure it makes a whole lot of sense to bureaucrats in government.
The Psychology of the Learner was a course taught by a professor, and she had taught primary school some 20 years earlier. Unfortunately, we were all secondary education majors, and we needed to know how to apply that to high school students, not 1st Grade students.
The course was of little to no value.
Classroom Management was taught by a professor, too, and he had taught primary school. The course was geared toward primary school, which is unfortunate, because we're all secondary education majors.
The way you manage a classroom in high school is not the same way you manage a classroom in 2nd or 3rd Grade, and what idiot what discipline a sophomore in the same way you'd discipline a 1st Grader?
Another course was taught by what we call a "street person." They weren't affiliated with Miami University, and they didn't get paid. What they got was credit to take a course for free in exchange for teaching a course.
Ostensibly, the purpose of this course was to teach us how to incorporate reading into our classroom instruction, but the street person, who taught elementary school was instead teaching us how to teach students how to read.
As an elementary school teacher, it's his job to teach students how to read, not our job. Students are supposed to know how to read before they get to high school. It got pretty wild, because some of the women were right up in his face ready to punch him out, they were so thoroughly aggravated.
Anyway, the point is none of us were actually qualified to teach high school, in spite of the fact that the State said we were.
So, saying they're "underqualifed" by State standards doesn't really mean anything at all.
You are absolutely right! We should hire 9th grade dropouts to teach our children, just think of the money we could save
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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Hmmm, S&P 500 companies employ about 17% of US workers. The average CEO compensation (as of couple of years ago) is about 14 mil or so.
Well yeah, but to make her argument work we have to include "Chief Executives" who are self employed and resell crap on ebay a few times a week and give themselves a salary of $100 a month.

The picture is quite different if you look at the salary of CEO's of the 350 largest companies in the US

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CEOs of the nation’s 350 largest companies earned about $18.9 million in 2017, a 17.6% raise from a year earlier, their workers’ paychecks increased roughly 0.3% during the same time period, according to a Thursday study from the Economic Policy Institute.

As a result, those CEOs are paid on average 300 times more than their employees—a level not seen since just before the Financial Crisis in 2007 and the Dotcom bubble in 2000.

“CEO compensation really spiked in 2017,” said Lawrence Mishel, a distinguished fellow at the EPI. “It was totally driven by CEOs cashing out stock options, and the high value of stocks awarded to CEOs.”

While CEOs were paid about 312 times more than the average worker in 2017, that figure reached 327 in 2007 and 361 during the 2000 Internet bubble. That’s based on a CEO’s so-called realized pay—in other words, the executive’s take-home pay from that year, including cash, stock, and options realized.
Average CEO Salary Ratio Soars to Financial Crisis Levels in 2017 | Fortune
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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Because politicians raised taxes on the middle class to pay for all those entitlement programs since the mid-1960s. Compare the percentage of taxes taken out of a middle class paycheck in 1960 vs. today. It is obscene. Higher state taxes, higher federal taxes, higher local taxes, fewer tax deductions.
A bunch of that money is due to the payroll tax for medicare. Welfare, which most people are talking about when they say "entitlement" program provides recipients less than they received before welfare reform became law in 1996. I've never had local taxes taken out of my paycheck, and state taxes vary according to which state you live in.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:40 PM
 
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You have conflated the cost of an MRI machine with the cost of MRI services.

I hope you're not suggesting that 219,000 people use a single MRI machine each year, because that would be stupid.
The average MRI time is 30-40 minutes per patient, not including prep-time or down-time after the MRI.

In a single 8-hour day, an MRI can handle 9-10 people. Maybe 11 people. In a 10-hour day, maybe 11-13 people.

In a year, a single MRI will handle about 2,550 people, which is not even remotely close to 219,000 people.
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No, all I have done was expose your "theory" about MRI machines all costing millions and having to be expensive. Since you didn't approve of that particular truth, you figured writing a long post might fool us into thinking you are correct.

$200 to $1000 is not a high price for an MRI...

But this has little to do with why people can't make it except we all know that the Medical System in this country is a complete ripoff...a ripoff supported by many Americans as long as they can pass their bills to their children.
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