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Old 02-19-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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Yep, none of them required grabbing billions of dollars which had specifically been denied by Congress.


But it hasn't been denied by Congress.


They money he is accessing has already been approved by Congress and allocated to defense/security projects.

(This is why he still only has a limited amount of money he can use).

He's just moving the money from some projects to another.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Just because it wasn't challenged doesn't mean that it wasn't unconstitutional........

All that demonstrates is that despite how much Republicans opposed Obama, they weren't deranged with anywhere near the level of TDS like, irrational freak out syndrome over him the way Democrats are over Trump.
Actually, they did challenge DACA in the courts, and it survived.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:37 AM
 
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In case no one has mentioned it, these 'national emergencies', whether by President Carter or subsequent Presidents, must be renewed on an annual basis. Hence, now that Mr. Trump is into his third year, he has renewed every current national emergency imposed by prior presidents.



"A national emergency can be terminated if the president issues a proclamation or if Congress enacts a joint resolution terminating the emergency. A national emergency will terminate automatically upon the anniversary of the proclamation unless the president renews the proclamation by transmitting notice to Congress within a 90-day period prior to the anniversary date and publishing it in the Federal Register."


National Emergencies Act, Sections 201 and 301 Fact Sheet | State Public Health | ASTHO
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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But it hasn't been denied by Congress.


They money he is accessing has already been approved by Congress and allocated to defense/security projects.

(This is why he still only has a limited amount of money he can use).

He's just moving the money from some projects to another.
A clear constitutional problem. Trump does not have the authority to just move money. Only Congress gets to do that.


Trump gets to sign the bill.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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It's not just being against the wall.......

Democrats are against ANYTHING that is meant to combat Illegal immigration.
I am not a Democrat, but I will post this to keep the conversation more honest/factual.

Here are some examples of what the Dems pushed for, and it passed the Senate vote in bipartisan manner, but was opposed by GOP House.

- Additional U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers are added - 3,500 additional federal law enforcement officers to be trained by 2017
- Authorization for the National Guard to be deployed to the Southwest border for the following purposes:
(1) to construct fencing, including double-layer and triple-layer fencing;
(2) to increase ground-based mobile surveillance systems;
(3) to deploy additional unarmed, unmanned aerial systems and manned aircraft sufficient to maintain continuous surveillance of the Southern Border;
(4) to deploy and provide capability for radio communications interoperability between U.S. Customs and Border Protection and State, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies;
(5) to construct checkpoints along the Southern border to bridge the gap to long-term permanent checkpoints; and
(6) to provide assistance to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, particularly in rural,high-trafficked areas, as designated by the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
- Authorizes and funds border crossing prosecutions and related court costs in the Tucson Sector at a level sufficient to increase the average number of prosecutions from 70 a day to 210 a day ($50 million from the $3 billion Border Security Fund). It also provides increased funding for Operation Stonegarden to assist state and local law enforcement to help prevent illegal activity along the border.
- Provides additional funding for additional border patrol stations and forward operating bases to interdict individuals entering the United States unlawfully immediately after such individuals cross the Southern border and to provide full operational support in rural, high-trafficked areas.
- Provides funding for vital radio communications and interoperability between CBP -Office of Border Patrol and state, local, and tribal law enforcement to assist in apprehension efforts along the border.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:42 AM
 
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But it hasn't been denied by Congress.
Yes, the request for this particular spending was specifically reviewed and rejected by the Congress.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:43 AM
 
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A clear constitutional problem. Trump does not have the authority to just move money. Only Congress gets to do that.


Trump gets to sign the bill.


Except for the emergency powers act, passed by Congress, specifically gave him that power.....
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:47 AM
 
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I am not a Democrat, but I will post this to keep the conversation more honest/factual.

Here are some examples of what the Dems pushed for, and it passed the Senate vote in bipartisan manner, but was opposed by GOP House.

- Additional U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers are added - 3,500 additional federal law enforcement officers to be trained by 2017
- Authorization for the National Guard to be deployed to the Southwest border for the following purposes:
(1) to construct fencing, including double-layer and triple-layer fencing;
(2) to increase ground-based mobile surveillance systems;
(3) to deploy additional unarmed, unmanned aerial systems and manned aircraft sufficient to maintain continuous surveillance of the Southern Border;
(4) to deploy and provide capability for radio communications interoperability between U.S. Customs and Border Protection and State, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies;
(5) to construct checkpoints along the Southern border to bridge the gap to long-term permanent checkpoints; and
(6) to provide assistance to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, particularly in rural,high-trafficked areas, as designated by the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
- Authorizes and funds border crossing prosecutions and related court costs in the Tucson Sector at a level sufficient to increase the average number of prosecutions from 70 a day to 210 a day ($50 million from the $3 billion Border Security Fund). It also provides increased funding for Operation Stonegarden to assist state and local law enforcement to help prevent illegal activity along the border.
- Provides additional funding for additional border patrol stations and forward operating bases to interdict individuals entering the United States unlawfully immediately after such individuals cross the Southern border and to provide full operational support in rural, high-trafficked areas.
- Provides funding for vital radio communications and interoperability between CBP -Office of Border Patrol and state, local, and tribal law enforcement to assist in apprehension efforts along the border.


All of that is only as good as any given administration's willingness to use it.


And all of it can be reversed with the stroke of a pen by future administrations.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:50 AM
 
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All of that is only as good as any given administration's willingness to use it.

And all of it can be reversed with the stroke of a pen by future administrations.
If they had passed it, it would be the law of the land. Maybe Trump would have torn it up. Who knows, but it would not have surprised me.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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Yes, the request for this particular spending was specifically reviewed and rejected by the Congress.


They approved some funding for physical barriers.

They approved the rest of the money he is accessing for defense/security projects.


He's just moving more approved funds to a different project..... which the emergency powers act allows him to do.


If Congress doesn't like how he's using it, they should've thought twice before passing it.


You can say he's abusing it.......

I can say he's using it creatively.......



But as I've previously said.......


That's the problem with giving government so much power........sooner or later someone who isn't "your guy" is going to use that power in ways that you don't like.


When will people learn?
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