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Old 02-21-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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I am curious as to the others on the panel also, plenty of qualified people. If the National Institute of Health came out with a report indicating a cause of cancer why would you select a panel to verify their results.
You wouldn't, and I am not sure that is the mandate of this panel either. They are supposed to be looking into the question of how climate change will impact national security, so there is an implicit assumption that climate change is operative. But a denier can derail the discussion by pooh-poohing things like how sea level rise will necessitate that the US navy relocate harbors and such.

I tend to think the military takes climate change seriously, at least all their statements have indicated that they believe it to be real.

It anyone really wants to know whether climate change is real, ask insurance companies. They can lose trillions of dollars if they guess wrong, so they tend to think along purely rational lines, not political, and according to the WSJ, they are taking it seriously. The military is similar.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Is that why you want politicians and bureaucrats to come up with the edicts, laws,rules, regs and taxes that will be used against us in attempts to control the temperature?
If they base it on science sure.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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A climate denialist? oh no!

This sounds like the Mueller team that is composed of all Democrats some of whom are rabid anti Trumpers...


Mueller's a Republican.

Ya got two guesses left.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:02 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Oh no...diversity of thought....must have one mind thought control.

About time we had a real discussion on the effect on climate by human activity, whether that effect is positive or negative, and what if anything can be done to optimize the climate...we are under a long term Snowmadden and more than 1 month deep freeze where I live so I'm personally hoping for accelerated Global Warming or at least local warming.

I realize this may be too factual but the tiny spot on the earth where you live does not represent the entire globe and the predictors of global warming have also predicted more frequent weather extremes, both hot and cold.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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‘High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.’
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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So everyone on the panel should have the same views?
Depends on what their mandate is. If they are being asked to say whether climate change is real, then yes, all views need to be represented. They can then vote on it. But the latter has already happened in the science-sphere so no need to repeat that step.

If their mandate is to figure out what security implications are, then there is an assumption climate change it real and no other viewpoints are needed. I believe this is their mandate.

One security risk to the US from climate change is it is assumed mass migrations will occur from mid latitudes to northern latitudes. We may well need a wall as a result. So climate deniers, the ironic thing is if you accept climate change, it is a perfect rationale to build a wall.

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Old 02-21-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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‘High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.’

Correct. As more CO2 holds more heat in, there's less heat transferred to the upper atmosphere, so it becomes cooler up there.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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CO2 radiates in all directions...including up
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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White House Panel Will Study Whether Climate Change Is a National Security Threat. It Includes a Climate Denialist


I hope that they publish the minutes of every meeting.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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Wow.

This guy is going to LEAD the panel.


https://twitter.com/existentialfish/...18036169986054
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