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Old 03-01-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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To not owe taxes because you're operating at a net $17 billion loss over the past 15 years?
Lol, yeah and there is more as well.

I love how they gloss over that a lot of the incentives are green energy.....shhhhhhh......that would ruin the outrage so don't bring it up.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Because without an educated society you are living in a third world country and don't have anything yourself. You only have what you have because of an educated society.
The educated society is going through private schools. The public schools are producing some of the least intelligent kids in the WORLD unless they just happen to go to public schools in upscale neighborhoods.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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The educated society is going through private schools. The public schools are producing some of the least intelligent kids in the WORLD unless they just happen to go to public schools in upscale neighborhoods.
Nowhere close to true but whatever.......the model isn't changing.......because it's not true.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I agree. Not to mention, some of the biggest tax breaks go to those who use most of the things taxes pay for. Like, why should I, a single woman who did not want to have kids, have to pay high property taxes to fund schools and programs like free breakfasts and lunches for families who can't afford to feed their kids for whatever reason. But yet, those same parents also get to live in nice homes thanks to section 8, get Snap benefits to help pay for food, utilities, and seem to have money to drive around in brand new Mercedes Benz, and still get back 5000 or more in federal taxes. And for what? This arrangement is not fair. Rewarding the lazy while punishing the hard workers and risk takers that profited off of their risks. And, this is a system that is not sustainable. It will run out eventually.
I bet you are curious also whether trump paid any taxes as we all are.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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If you don't approve of it, lobby your representatives to change the tax laws. Don't blame companies for doing what laws allow them to do.

Now all we need is a plan to compete ($$$) with the auto lobby or any of the other lobbies that buy legislators like 'citizens' buy a newspaper.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The refundable Child Tax Credit was doubled in 2018, financially rewarding people for having children, whether they can afford it or not. No diff with the EITC and the Child Care Tax Credit.

It’s the tax code that enables half the people +/-, to have no federal tax obligation. Makes no sense to blame the people benefitting. Legislators are responsible for the Code.

Having said this, most who qualify for Section 8, SNAP, etc do not have 8 kids, drive Mercedes and/or have shopping carts overflowing with steaks and lobsters. Nor are they necessarily lazy.

Schools are funded in most states with local property taxes, regardless of the number of children in a household. We all have the freedom to move anywhere in the US. Some state/ local governments give a break to those over 65 without children or is income based. . The value is highly variable, ranging from negligible to significant.

Only fair tax is a flat tax applicable to gross income, regardless of the source of income.
I call BS! I worked in a major grocery store for 8 years, and we also had carry out services, and it never failed. A big fat woman coming up with a cart full of groceries, including steaks, lobsters, you name it. She would pull out her SNAP, and then ask for cash back with it, like 20 bucks. And then she would give it to her loser husband/boyfriend/whatever who would use that money to buy beer and cigarettes. Then we would take their groceries to their car, which was always a high end SVU, be it a Mercedes, Cadillac, Audi, whatever with 3 or 4 kids in there on their Iphones or tablets, with their brand name shoes and clothing. I'm not saying everyone is like this who uses welfare, but when I worked in West Palm Beach, Florida, this was a very common occurrence. And is the reason why such women are called welfare queens.

Thank God that there is a small group of people on section 8 housing that is realizing what a scam this all is. It's taking away their integrity and a chance to make something better of themselves because they are trapped in this system. A program should be used to help you get on your feet when you are down, not to make it a way of life!
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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The educated society is going through private schools. The public schools are producing some of the least intelligent kids in the WORLD unless they just happen to go to public schools in upscale neighborhoods.
You live in Florida, so if it makes you feel better you are in one of the worst public schooling environments in the US. In most of the rest of the country the public schools are pretty good.

Even then, the *worst* public schools generally are that way because there is a robust alternative in the form of public magnet and private school options so basically they skim off the cream.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Nowhere close to true but whatever.......the model isn't changing.......because it's not true.
It is true. It is a fact we spend more money in education per child, but yet, we don't have the most educated children in the world, nor do we have the best education system in the world. Far from it. Why do you think for the most part, so many Americans going to public schools stride to get scholarships in athletics vs academics? Why are most of the young doctors today are coming from private schools or educated in other countries?
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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I call BS! I worked in a major grocery store for 8 years, and we also had carry out services, and it never failed. A big fat woman coming up with a cart full of groceries, including steaks, lobsters, you name it. She would pull out her SNAP, and then ask for cash back with it, like 20 bucks. And then she would give it to her loser husband/boyfriend/whatever who would use that money to buy beer and cigarettes. Then we would take their groceries to their car, which was always a high end SVU, be it a Mercedes, Cadillac, Audi, whatever with 3 or 4 kids in there on their Iphones or tablets, with their brand name shoes and clothing. I'm not saying everyone is like this who uses welfare, but when I worked in West Palm Beach, Florida, this was a very common occurrence. And is the reason why such women are called welfare queens.

Thank God that there is a small group of people on section 8 housing that is realizing what a scam this all is. It's taking away their integrity and a chance to make something better of themselves because they are trapped in this system. A program should be used to help you get on your feet when you are down, not to make it a way of life!
This is possible in situations where no income is being shown officially but is available to the family in other ways.

-Illegal activity, selling drugs
-Family or other outside financial support
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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The educated society is going through private schools. The public schools are producing some of the least intelligent kids in the WORLD unless they just happen to go to public schools in upscale neighborhoods.
Its funny how in this age of information people still believe in the govt school as prison model of education
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