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Old 03-23-2019, 02:27 PM
 
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I live in a smaller city in the Midwest. My city had a proposal a few years back to put in a casino downtown. Being in a conservative city you know that went over like a lead balloon. Liberal cities let things move in that sound good but won't work in the long run.

We have casinos but on the outskirts of cities, mostly run by Indian tribes, but you can always see a pawn shop not too far away from the place.
So you live in a dump. Not so with Potawatomi Casino.
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Old 03-23-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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So you live in a dump. Not so with Potawatomi Casino.
Probably in OK. I have probably driven past the place and yes I always see a pawn shop not very far away. We know some are addicted to gambling and won't stop until they spend their whole paycheck.

I think the tribes make a good profit from places like this and more power to them, it's just not my thing and I would rather they not locate in the city's center. Most thought the same way with it being voted down.
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Old 03-23-2019, 02:34 PM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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I just wanted to say that I don't support Section 8 vouchers, or at least they should be pulled from people who can't take care of their apartments. One of my friends is a building maintenance engineer for a number of apartment buildings in Roxbury, MA... and the stories he tells about the Section 8 renters are horrific. They trash their apartments and common areas, they bring in bedbugs (some tenants multiple times), they invite extra people to live with them... they are just animals.

So government handouts are all well and good, but animals shouldn't be given these perks.
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Old 03-23-2019, 02:47 PM
 
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Much of the "wealth" on the coasts is due to leverage, low interest rates, debt, tremendous amount of venture capital going to in many instances companies that make no profit.

I think this is one of shadier times in the history of the country.

During the next recession I think it will be very, very interesting what happens in these coastal areas.

When the debt bubble bursts, it's going to impact the coasts far more than middle-America

Many of the poorest areas of middle-America have a vast majority of residents who own there homes free and clear and only have to worry about a small property tax bill and electric rates tend to be very low also.

In many of these areas that are temporarily booming economically people a very high percentage of income in mortgage, property tax, electric bills.
Actually, the wealthy pay cash for their homes so leveraging is not an issue. I don't think you fully understand how much wealth there is here.

The 9 year boom cannot go on forever and there will be a correction. It is built into the system. Besides, you should understand that a crash on the coasts will effect those in the middle worse. When the industry is not diversified, the closing of a Walmart or manufacturing plant due to a crash will hurt the rural much more since there are no other job opportunities for the people that live in such places. This has happened across the mid-west where there are no jobs or prospects any longer. No income then no way to pay property taxes or the heating bill so it matters not that the home is owned free and clear.
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Old 03-23-2019, 05:58 PM
 
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People need to distinguish between the involuntarily homeless (lost jobs, rent went up) and the drug addicts, vagrants and crazies who like being out on the street with their friends, partying, panhandling, taking drugs, no rules. We used to call them hoboes decades ago before the drug culture took hold. In the old days alcohol was their poison.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:16 PM
 
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I just wanted to say that I don't support Section 8 vouchers, or at least they should be pulled from people who can't take care of their apartments. One of my friends is a building maintenance engineer for a number of apartment buildings in Roxbury, MA... and the stories he tells about the Section 8 renters are horrific. They trash their apartments and common areas, they bring in bedbugs (some tenants multiple times), they invite extra people to live with them... they are just animals.

So government handouts are all well and good, but animals shouldn't be given these perks.
People care little for what they don't earn. That's the sad truth. With Section 8 they don't even need to worry about taking care of their credit. They have little to lose at that point. So, what should we do about it? What do we do with people who just no longer care about much of anything? It's a hard problem to solve for sure.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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The Seattle government (mayor/city council) is clearly the problem.

https://www.seattle.gov/council/meet-the-council



The arrogant smirk on that council members face when the frustrated citizen told him Seattle police advise people to vote out the council for results made me want to punch him.

And that whack job openly marxist Kshama Sawant trying to "identify" with the protesting construction workers? Arrogance again.

Arrogance is the fitting word for that entire group.


https://q13fox.com/2019/03/21/seattl...lic-testimony/
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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The recent story about a woman’s “tent mansion” near the city’s Space Needle vividly illustrated how a contingent among the homeless chooses to live on the streets.

“We don’t want to change our lifestyle to fit their requirements,” the woman told newscasters for a CBS Seattle report, explaining how she and her boyfriend moved from West Virginia to Seattle for the “liberal vibe,” repeatedly refusing shelter. “We intend to stay here. This is the solution to the homeless problem. We want autonomy, right here.”

The city’s compassion campaign has devolved into permissiveness, enablement, crime and disorder. Public complaints about homeless encampments from the first three months of this year are an array of horrors: theft, drugs, fighting, rape, murder, explosions, prostitution, assaults, needles and feces.
https://nypost.com/2018/12/27/what-n...less-struggle/

When the rules are strict, they move to where they're not. Those who want them as neighbors will stay there, and those who do not should look to moving to a city with more ordinances to take care of it. Seattle spends 100,000 a year per man, woman, and child who's homeless. Not a bad income. Why wouldn't they all want to move there? Some cities draw homeless people like a fly to sheet. That's just how it is.
I told this story on here some years back and I was accused of making it up. When I lived there, because there were noticeable homeless people around the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Avenues along Pike and Pine, a route I had to go through to get to my bus to go to work, or a route I had to go to in order to get down to the waterfront, from where I lived, I would sometimes stop and talk to some of the homeless that I saw on a daily basis.

One guy I talked to told me that he preferred to stay homeless. For him, the reason was because if he wanted to get off of the streets, it would require him to finish 7 years of a prison sentence, and he didn't want to do that. So, he sat on the sidewalk, every single day, had his cup out, sometimes he would have a cat with him, sometimes he would be alone, sometimes he would have a dog - but he was there for years.

I eventually moved to another part of the city and didn't venture down that way very often, or maybe just once or twice after that before I moved out of Seattle - so I never knew if he was still there, if he died from the cold in the winter, if he starved, I don't know.

Back then, while there were drug problems, and some of the homeless had a drug problem, the bigger problem with the homeless was alcoholism. A lot of them were alcoholics. Where I saw the major drug problem was with the youth - meaning my age back then. A lot of them used hard drugs, a lot of them wanted all drugs legal, a lot of them still had their parents paying a lot of things for them, or they even still lived at home - they came to the clubs, (I used to bartend in one, so many people totally wasted on drugs), heroin overdose was not unheard of, meth labs were not unheard of, it was all over the place.

Seattle never did anything about it. They just sat there and let it all happen. After I watched that video, I wondered how many people that I knew while I lived there are out in some tent and trash, spouting out how they want to live like that because they don't want to give up their drugs. It would not surprise me if it was a majority of them because that was the mindset back then from so many people.

This craziness being reported has actually escalated in the last few years. Seattle always had the problems, they didn't do a thing about those problems, but what that video showed wasn't there 5 years ago. This is recent, and it's getting out of control in such a short time.

Of course I don't think 4 million people in Seattle AND the surrounding areas (because Seattle itself is NOT 4 million people like SeaCove claimed - it's actually under a million in Seattle: The population of Seattle is estimated at 724,000. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...le-population/), but I do think that of the actual population of Seattle, not the surrounding areas, just Seattle, can definitely shrink quite a bit if the city continues to turn their back on the problem.

Some believe that's good - it's not. In their liberal utopia filled with drugged out homeless people, the less people to pay, the more they will pay - and while the good people will move out, those, like the one guy in the video who moved up there from Reno, who are hooked on drugs and have nothing going for them, will get their bus tickets and move up there to live on the streets and get their hand outs.

Clearly some are too blinded by their own personal wants to see how those are going to backfire on them if this course continues in the way that it is.

I guess at this point, I say let it happen. Maybe then some people will learn. Apparently history and warnings don't do a thing, people have to experience it for themselves. Fine. Let them.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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Of course I don't think 4 million people in Seattle AND the surrounding areas (because Seattle itself is NOT 4 million people like SeaCove claimed - it's actually under a million in Seattle: The population of Seattle is estimated at 724,000. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-...le-population/), but I do think that of the actual population of Seattle, not the surrounding areas, just Seattle, can definitely shrink quite a bit if the city continues to turn their back on the problem.

Some believe that's good - it's not. In their liberal utopia filled with drugged out homeless people, the less people to pay, the more they will pay - and while the good people will move out, those, like the one guy in the video who moved up there from Reno, who are hooked on drugs and have nothing going for them, will get their bus tickets and move up there to live on the streets and get their hand outs.
The Seattle metro is almost 4 million and there's really no delineation between Seattle and it's surrounding suburbs. I admit I do feel resentment that so many people are moving here, many without a plan. Just because it's liberal and physically beautiful doesn't mean the city owes people a living.

I fully support turning McNeil Island into a drug treatment facility, as is suggested in the video. But that is definitely a socialistic approach whether Republicans want to admit it or not. They will require treatment and lifelong medication. The same would be true in Appalachia. Where are the drug treatment facilities?
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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What is the drug overdose rate ?

I say, free opioids for all that want them. Just pick up the bodies in the morning.
Narcan ruined that dream.
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