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Nobody is obliged to take yours seriously either. Imagine that. Different views and opinions that don't match up. S***does happen don't it.
You made up a scenario of whole cloth to support your point, didn't you?
When it comes to how the NZ prime minister responds to mass murder on a religious minority in her country, we have a sample size of 1. You countered with unfounded speculation to cheapen that gesture, and I'd like to think you're better than that.
Ah yes. I feel so sad. At any rate if these attacks had happened say on a Sikh temple, Hindu, or maybe Budddist, I highly doubt the PM would be calling for NZs people to don their attire and observe their rituals. But it was Muslims. They must be appeased and apologized to. So the PM call for wearing a hijab and observing call to prayer. Nationwide even. In a show of "solidarity" that would not be accorded to people of any other faith. WTF?
This isn't a visit to their place of worship where it might be in good taste to observe attire appropriate for the occasion. Show the Muslims how sorry you are and maybe s***won't start blowing up.
We weren't asked to to don their attire or observe their rituals. In fact Jacinda specifically said people can do whatever they are comfortable doing. A 'call to prayer' isn't a call for all people to pray like Muslims but to observe Muslims during their call to prayer. The reason this wasn't held in the Mosque is because there's still blood all over the carpet.
We aren't afraid of retaliation. We aren't afraid of Muslims. We know that there's more to fear from angry white dudes that the Muslims in our city.
New Zealanders are people of British origin - they're not from the Middle East, and they're not from Asia, or Africa either...so yes, religion has always been a proxy for location, except during the last 50 years of mass immigration or perhaps except for the colonial outposts.
Anyway, Muslims are Muslims,despite what some naturalization paper might say, they are Muslim first, citizens or residents second. Nationality is really not a concept for them because their cultures have always put religion first and foremost, and all other identities (like nationality) take a back seat. This has been their history and experience until only recently when they were exposed to the Western world and our political systems.
That's why they make such bad immigrants - there isn't really any such concept as "good citizenship" in the Islamic world. Civil society...just not high on their hierarchy of values.
They really care only about religious society and tribal/group memberships. That's why they don't bother to assimilate.
Here's some facts for you:
1)New Zealanders aren't exclusively people from British origins. We come from all over and joined the Maori people who were already here. In fact, my great great great great great great grandfather, Lewis Acker was born in New York and came here in the 1800's
2) Muslims have been in NZ since the 1800's and they've assimilated very well.
I think many people are being hysterical in their reactions of horror over our decision to place the compassionate considerations of a grieving community ahead of religious sensitivities. If people would just calm their farm they'd see it's no different than removing your hat inside or taking your shoes off before going inside someones house.
So New Zealand is Islam's house now? You are now Dar al-Islam?
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Great to hear from someone who lives there. From my reading it seems the vast majority of your fellow citizens feel the same.
I don't doubt that is what you are seeing. Anyone who feels otherwise is not exactly free to voice their opinion at this time.
Why do you feel bad? No New Zealanders were harmed, so no need to rally around them anyway.
The wholesale murder of 50 people at prayer is not how you deal with immigration problems.
All this with the call to prayer and the hijabs is just window dressing though. The real disturbing part of the reaction here has been the knee jerk suppression of free speech and gun rights. Rights are irrevocably lost in the heat of the moment and by the time second thoughts are able to creep up it's too late. They would be better served by letting the raw emotion die down and considering these issues when cooler heads can have a larger voice. Maybe they would have come to the same conclusions ultimately but they would have done so with deliberation and forethought instead of reflex and emotion. Now they are being pointed to by people with big agendas as an example of how responsible nations react to tragedies. As if rational thought above raw emotion is something to be considered irresponsible.
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