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View Poll Results: should we focus on restricting and regulating ammunitions?
Yes. 19 15.70%
Yes, but only restrict the most dangerous bullets, such as the Black Talon,'hollow-points,' and cop-killer bullets. 2 1.65%
No, no new restrictions. 94 77.69%
other (please explain below). 6 4.96%
Voters: 121. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-01-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Anything is possible with Trump in the WH. The bump-stock ban was just a test, and it passed the Supreme Court.
It didn't pass the Supreme Court, they refused to hear the case and it was turned back for the lower courts to decide. Why can't you ever get your facts straight?

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The Supreme Court’s decision Thursday does not end the legal fight but means that the ban will remain in effect while challenges continue. Michael Hammond, legislative counsel for Gun Owners of America, said in a statement that the group was “disappointed” and pledged that it would “continue to fight the issue in the court system, as the case now returns to the lower courts.” --- Supreme Court declines to strike down bump stock ban – The Mercury News – Investing Signal

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Old 04-01-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I voted "other." I support the 2nd amendment and I own a handgun. I also support mandatory gun registration -- everyone is required to register their vehicles, there's no reason guns can't be registered too. And I support serial number stamping on ammunition.
For some reason or the other I doubt that you are a handgun owner and support the 2nd Amendment? I wonder why?
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Even Tourist have a right to keep & bear arms in the USA.
It says people, not citizen. Same with the 4th amendment...... and NO, they don't mean the same thing in law.
Only under certain conditions.

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An alien legally in the U.S. may acquire firearms if he has a State of residence. An alien has a State of residence only if he is residing in that State and has resided in a State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the purchase. An alien acquiring firearms from a licensee is required to prove both his identity, by presenting a government-issued photo identification, and his residency with substantiating documentation showing that he has resided in the State continuously for the 90-day period prior to the purchase. Examples of qualifying documentation to prove residency include: utility bills, lease agreements, credit card statements, and pay stubs from the purchaser’s place of employment, if such documents include residential addresses.

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Nonimmigrant aliens+ [this includes tourists] +generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States.

There are exceptions to this general prohibition. The exceptions are as follows:

--nonimmigrant aliens who possess a valid hunting license or permit lawfully issued by a State in the United States;

--nonimmigrant aliens entering the United States to participate in a competitive target shooting event or to display firearms at a sports or hunting trade show sponsored by a national, State, or local firearms trade organization devoted to the competitive use or other sporting use of firearms;
certain diplomats;

--officials of foreign governments or distinguished foreign visitors so designated by the U.S. State Department;

--foreign law enforcement officers of friendly foreign governments entering the United States on official law enforcement business; and

--persons who have received a waiver from the prohibition from the U.S. Attorney General.

Significantly, even if a nonimmigrant alien falls within one of these exceptions, the nonimmigrant alien CANNOT purchase a firearm from a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) unless he or she (1) has an alien number or admission number from the Immigration and Naturalization Service AND (2) can provide the FFL with documentation showing that he or she has resided in a State within the United States for 90 days prior to the firearms transaction.
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It didn't pass the Supreme Court, they refused to hear the case and it was turned back for the lower courts to decide. Why can't you ever get your facts straight?
It was a test-fart, and it passed the legal hurdles, even the Supreme Court.
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:46 AM
 
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What the hell is rapid fire ammunition?
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What in the hell is rapid fire ammunition? And extra-deadly bullets?
Apparently, "rapid fire" ammunition is anything you can load into a semiautomatic sporting rifle, so uhm...all rifle rounds?

"Extra deadly" ammunition is apparently hollow points or other versions of engineered fragmentation, since the point of such rounds is to expand the wound channel for a more likely 1 Shot Kill (1SK). Not sure how that makes the target "extra dead", since a properly placed FMJ round will wreck the target's day just fine? JHPs are to ammunition what game improvement clubs are to golf. If you are not a skilled marksman, the better engineered terminal ballistics will help correct for subpar shooting by upping the chances for a disabling or lethal shot. Thing is, anyone with a metal file, a knife and something heavy to hit that knife with can"engineer" more fragmentation on even FMJs. Crosscutting was a thing long before ammo manufacturers were hollowing out and making all the various fragment rounds.

"Cop killer" ammunition is any supersonic or properly designed rifle round, so basically 90% of all rifle ammo sold, figuring any caliber >= 6mm Creedmore, and even a decent number of 5.56/.223 rounds. It is designated that because it can go through kevlar pretty easily. Any pointy, supersonic round is going to do well vs kevlar though. Add mass/velocity and generally, rifle rounds disregard kevlar.

Funny thing though, concerning all these scary terms....the firearms of the past qualified under all these headings. The 3 basic calibers of weapons in the Civil War were .70 cal, .50 cal and .44 cal. The 1861 Spencer was a 7 shot repeating 50 cal. That's a serious weapon.

The whole discussion is moot, because the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments are pretty plain, easy to read and absolute. Most of travis_t's bans fail SCOTUS muster if they were to get that far.
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It was a test-fart, and it passed the legal hurdles, even the Supreme Court.
You're just making up excuses for your lack of knowledge and to propagandize the facts in order to further your agenda. The Supreme Court often refers cases back to the lower courts for review for any number of reasons. Until it goes through the court system it has not passed any legal hurdles as the decision is not final.
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Apparently, "rapid fire" ammunition is anything you can load into a semiautomatic sporting rifle, so uhm...all rifle rounds?

"Extra deadly" ammunition is apparently hollow points or other versions of engineered fragmentation, since the point of such rounds is to expand the wound channel for a more likely 1 Shot Kill (1SK). Not sure how that makes the target "extra dead", since a properly placed FMJ round will wreck the target's day just fine? JHPs are to ammunition what game improvement clubs are to golf. If you are not a skilled marksman, the better engineered terminal ballistics will help correct for subpar shooting by upping the chances for a disabling or lethal shot. Thing is, anyone with a metal file, a knife and something heavy to hit that knife with can"engineer" more fragmentation on even FMJs. Crosscutting was a thing long before ammo manufacturers were hollowing out and making all the various fragment rounds.

"Cop killer" ammunition is any supersonic or properly designed rifle round, so basically 90% of all rifle ammo sold, figuring any caliber >= 6mm Creedmore, and even a decent number of 5.56/.223 rounds. It is designated that because it can go through kevlar pretty easily. Any pointy, supersonic round is going to do well vs kevlar though. Add mass/velocity and generally, rifle rounds disregard kevlar.

Funny thing though, concerning all these scary terms....the firearms of the past qualified under all these headings. The 3 basic calibers of weapons in the Civil War were .70 cal, .50 cal and .44 cal. The 1861 Spencer was a 7 shot repeating 50 cal. That's a serious weapon.

The whole discussion is moot, because the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments are pretty plain, easy to read and absolute. Most of travis_t's bans fail SCOTUS muster if they were to get that far.
Articles like this are why people believe that crap.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...lets-guns.html

Look at the chart, they have a .380 as a medium and a .357 as a large
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:30 AM
 
Location: PSL
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You're just making up excuses for your lack of knowledge and to propagandize the facts in order to further your agenda. The Supreme Court often refers cases back to the lower courts for review for any number of reasons. Until it goes through the court system it has not passed any legal hurdles as the decision is not final.
So long as you are a member of the 3 organizations that filed the suit. You don't have to forfeit or destroy a bumpstock, the members are covered under a stay.
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You're just making up excuses for your lack of knowledge and to propagandize the facts in order to further your agenda.
Keep your hands out of my holster!!
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Old 04-01-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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Articles like this are why people believe that crap.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...lets-guns.html

Look at the chart, they have a .380 as a medium and a .357 as a large
The reason they put 357 in large has to be because the typical 357 round is 357 MAGNUM, and the word "magnum" must be scary, huge, lethal, etc...or it means a case 1/8" longer to hold a bit more powder to get higher muzzle velocity for a slightly smaller round than .38 Special.

As always, the standard ref chart for journalists:

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