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Old 04-02-2019, 08:35 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Democrats AND Republicans still insist the American tax theft victim gives $3 billion a year to Israel, a country with free abortions on demand and free college tuition.
Free abortions on Demand? Not really.

https://www.health.gov.il/English/To...s/default.aspx

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Payment, or presentation of an undertaking to pay from the HMO (kupat cholim) that you belong to or from another insurer, is required for opening a file
Otherwise known as insurance.

Free college tuition? After military service (just like the US) with tuition limits.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Dems want to keep sending foreign aid that has failed to produce the desired results to Central America.
Cutting foreign aid is going to cause more illegal-immigration not less. And there is no real political-will to stop the illegals from coming.


These Central-American economies often depend heavily on "family remittances". Where an immigrant comes to the United States and sends a portion of the money he earns back to his family.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...tries-in-2016/


These third-world countries have no industry of their own, so they need a constant inflow of US dollars so they can buy western industrial goods. The governments of third-world countries often encourage their citizens to work in other countries because the remittances are so useful to their local economy. In the case of the Philippines, the government even requires them to remit a minimum-percentage of their earnings.

About 10% of the GDP of the Philippines comes directly from remittances. And that money is then spent in other sectors of the economy, so the real economic effect of remittances is far greater than the original amount would indicate.

https://www.rappler.com/business/196...-december-2017


Cutting off billions of dollars in aid to Central-America will likely collapse their already-fragile economies, causing many to flee from sheer destitution. And in order to replace that loss, these governments will encourage more immigration because they need those remittances. Which means, more and more immigration.


If Trump can't stop the flood(and he can't), this is just going to worsen the crisis.

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Old 04-02-2019, 10:10 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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See you don't get the liberal mind. They want us to give American money to these countries simply because they are poor, and we are richer, hence we have a responsibility to help them. Though within the US many liberals don't pay much in taxes anyway. I think foreign aid should be used to promote American interests, something liberals don't really care about.

They're also a fan of unfair trade agreements where America is the weaker party in order to benefit other countries at our expense. The Rust Belt was sacrificed for geopolitical purposes for example. NAFTA was designed to be a windfall for Mexico at America's expense to redistribute American money and jobs to Mexico.
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Old 04-02-2019, 10:12 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Cutting foreign aid is going to cause more illegal-immigration not less. And there is no real political-will to stop the illegals from coming.


These Central-American economies often depend heavily on "family remittances". Where an immigrant comes to the United States and sends a portion of the money he earns back to his family.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...tries-in-2016/


These third-world countries have no industry of their own, so they need a constant inflow of US dollars so they can buy western industrial goods. The governments of third-world countries often encourage their citizens to work in other countries because the remittances are so useful to their local economy. In the case of the Philippines, the government even requires them to remit a minimum-percentage of their earnings.

About 10% of the GDP of the Philippines comes directly from remittances. And that money is then spent in other sectors of the economy, so the real economic effect of remittances is far greater than the original amount would indicate.

https://www.rappler.com/business/196...-december-2017


Cutting off billions of dollars in aid to Central-America will likely collapse their already-fragile economies, causing many to flee from sheer destitution. And in order to replace that loss, these governments will encourage more immigration because they need those remittances. Which means, more and more immigration.


If Trump can't stop the flood(and he can't), this is just going to worsen the crisis.
What's truly needed is an Israel style wall on the southern border where no matter how hard these illegals try to come they won't make it. I'm not talking Trump's compromised proposal where he gave in to liberal demands. WHat I mean is a wall like the one between Israel and Gaza or between North and South Korea or like the peace walls in Belfast.
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Old 04-02-2019, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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What's truly needed is an Israel style wall on the southern border where no matter how hard these illegals try to come they won't make it. I'm not talking Trump's compromised proposal where he gave in to liberal demands. WHat I mean is a wall like the one between Israel and Gaza or between North and South Korea or like the peace walls in Belfast.
If we actually wanted to stop illegal-immigration we would have done it a long time ago. You may not like immigrants, but our government loves them. As long as the immigrants are good for the economy, they will keep coming. And the corporations will brainwash morons through their media to believe anyone who opposes open-borders is a white-supremacist.


Nothing is going to change. And Donald Trump just caused a million more immigrants to come.
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:12 PM
 
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Cutting foreign aid is going to cause more illegal-immigration not less. And there is no real political-will to stop the illegals from coming.
Many times you make a fairy reasonable case for your opinion. Not the case here as it more closely represents a bucket full of holes. It might be b/c it represents foreign aid in isolation. There is no silver bullet or one solution fix.
What we do know is rewarding bad behavior gets more bad behavior. Borders and immigration can be controlled, and is in some places. In this case the aid was sold as a way to change unwanted behavior and lead to a desired result. In that it has failed. As a stand alone it simply fails.

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These Central-American economies often depend heavily on "family remittances". Where an immigrant comes to the United States and sends a portion of the money he earns back to his family.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...tries-in-2016/


These third-world countries have no industry of their own, so they need a constant inflow of US dollars so they can buy western industrial goods. The governments of third-world countries often encourage their citizens to work in other countries because the remittances are so useful to their local economy. In the case of the Philippines, the government even requires them to remit a minimum-percentage of their earnings.

About 10% of the GDP of the Philippines comes directly from remittances. And that money is then spent in other sectors of the economy, so the real economic effect of remittances is far greater than the original amount would indicate.

https://www.rappler.com/business/196...-december-2017



Cutting off billions of dollars in aid to Central-America will likely collapse their already-fragile economies, causing many to flee from sheer destitution. And in order to replace that loss, these governments will encourage more immigration because they need those remittances. Which means, more and more immigration.
Remittances could be a part of the solution. Democrats love taxes so lets give them some love.
I would suggest remittances be taxed and those taxes be used as foreign aid. Let the people who remit payment to their home country pay for the aid. They should have no problem with that, after all, that is the reason for remittances in the first place. To make things better back in the home country. The more they remit the more aid they will receive. Use the Philippine model but instead of it going to the government let it go to foreign aid.

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If Trump can't stop the flood(and he can't), this is just going to worsen the crisis.
If Trump was making it worse there wouldn't be a sound out of those who want it to be worse by both democrats and GOP. Those who favor no wall, sanctuary cities, and open borders wouldn't be speaking against stopping the aid. They would want to stop the aid too, so they could get more of what they want.

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Old 04-03-2019, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Borders and immigration can be controlled, and is in some places. In this case the aid was sold as a way to change unwanted behavior and lead to a desired result. In that it has failed. As a stand alone it simply fails.
My overall point is, the conditions which have caused so many people to come to America will be made worse by cutting aid. I agree that immigration "can" be controlled, but will it? Trump did nothing about immigration for the first two years. And this year is setting up to be a record-breaker.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/u...ing-surge.html

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Remittances could be a part of the solution. Democrats love taxes so lets give them some love.
You know the democrats would never agree to that. But regardless, the business-interests in this country aren't actually opposed to illegal-immigration. American corporations want as much immigration as possible. If it wasn't for crime we wouldn't even have a border.


You're not going to deport the 20-million illegals who are already here. That is fantasyland. There is no political-will to do anything other than try to control the flow of drugs and the cartels.

Every sane person realizes that Trump isn't going to stop illegal-immigration, and this policy is going to push even more of them to come.

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Old 04-03-2019, 05:27 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Dems want to keep sending foreign aid that has failed to produce the desired results to Central America.

Talk about insane !!! Dems want to keep supporting failed foreign aid policy.


Democrats fume as Trump cuts Central American aid -

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...ocrats-1308680

“I've ended payments to Guatemala, to Honduras and to El Salvador,” Trump said Friday. “We were paying them tremendous amounts of money, and we're not paying them anymore because they haven't done a thing for us.”



I realize Central America is one of the many things that get your little hero Donny all pissy but ya wanna tell us just HOW all the $$$ we continue sending to the ME has ever produced the desired result or ya just wanna continue in lockstep with the Whiner in Chief?
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz View Post
Cutting foreign aid is going to cause more illegal-immigration not less. And there is no real political-will to stop the illegals from coming.


These Central-American economies often depend heavily on "family remittances". Where an immigrant comes to the United States and sends a portion of the money he earns back to his family.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...tries-in-2016/


These third-world countries have no industry of their own, so they need a constant inflow of US dollars so they can buy western industrial goods. The governments of third-world countries often encourage their citizens to work in other countries because the remittances are so useful to their local economy. In the case of the Philippines, the government even requires them to remit a minimum-percentage of their earnings.

About 10% of the GDP of the Philippines comes directly from remittances. And that money is then spent in other sectors of the economy, so the real economic effect of remittances is far greater than the original amount would indicate.

https://www.rappler.com/business/196...-december-2017


Cutting off billions of dollars in aid to Central-America will likely collapse their already-fragile economies, causing many to flee from sheer destitution. And in order to replace that loss, these governments will encourage more immigration because they need those remittances. Which means, more and more immigration.


If Trump can't stop the flood(and he can't), this is just going to worsen the crisis.
What happens to banana republics is not my concern. Shutdown the border and stop all foreign aid.
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Old 04-03-2019, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Boston
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lol ....what's most amusing is some people here think that foreign aid we send to these banana republic countries actually goes to the people it was intended to help.

cut em off!
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