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Old 04-15-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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So was Hitler and Stalin. Why didn't God see to it they were miscarried, since people, who want abortion banned say that God knew of everybody before they were born?
It's all about free will and we also have free will today. Don't blame God when people go to the dark side.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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So was Hitler and Stalin. Why didn't God see to it they were miscarried, since people, who want abortion banned say that God knew of everybody before they were born?
Not sure where you are going with this, other than to take a shot at God.

I would surmise that the destruction of the abortion industry far exceeds what Hitler and Stalin did... in terms of loss of life.

God has allowed these things to take place on this side of heaven.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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It's all about free will and we also have free will today. Don't blame God when people go to the dark side.
Why not? It’s always “it’s gods will”, so what’s the explanation for those guys? Maybe answer the question this time.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Why? Because I didn’t wring my hands over my decision or regret it? Plenty of women don’t regret it. It was a simple decision to make & a simple in/out procedure. Why would you wish someone to bemoan it the rest of their lives? I didn’t want it, I’ve never wanted to have a kid so there it is.
Abortion, like many other things, is what you could call an "ethical dilemma". Which basically means, it isn't always clear whether abortion is immoral, amoral, or moral.

Another ethical dilemma would be suicide. In most cases, suicide would be immoral. But there are many cases where it isn't.

So what makes something moral, and what makes something immoral? The root of morality is "Unselfishness". And similarly, the root of immorality is "Selfishness". Things which are moral are unselfish(IE generous/considerate/benevolent/altruistic/etc). And things which are immoral are selfish(IE greedy, harmful to others, indifference to suffering, etc).


In the case of suicide, you could make an argument that "ending suffering" would be the moral thing to do. And that forcing someone to live in pain is actually immoral. But at the same time, killing yourself can cause suffering to others. And causing others to suffer is also immoral.

Thus suicide is immoral if the amount of suffering caused is greater than the amount of suffering ended.


The ethical-dilemma in abortion is similar. The people who are opposed to abortion are often willing to make exceptions for things like rape, incest, health of the mother, etc. The ethical-basis is that forcing a woman to have the child of her rapist would cause a great amount of suffering, for the mother, child, and for others in society. And that the suffering was not caused in any way by her, she is the victim.

So what about the abortions where the woman isn't a victim? Where is the line between selfish and unselfish, moral and immoral? It is true that forcing any woman to carry a pregnancy that she does not want will cause her to suffer, but I reject the notion that abortion is without suffering. And I think most women know this in their hearts. Which is why "normal people" need to find some way to justify it.

And the typical justifications for abortion, are things like the girl is poor, young, unmarried. That it would "ruin her life" or that "the child would be raised in a bad environment", or any other such case where you believe both the child and the mother would suffer.

I can actually understand that rationale, and I, having four sisters and seven nieces, can understand why a woman might want to have an abortion. But abortion should never be treated in the cavalier and indifferent manner which your post seems to indicate. The fetus is most-definitely a human-life.


But I think there are situations where the suffering that would result, for both the mother and the child, is so great, that forcing the woman to carry the baby, and for that matter, bringing the baby into the world in such an environment, would seem to be a far greater evil than the termination of the pregnancy.

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Old 04-15-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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My abortion story: went in, got it done, left. Best decision I ever made.
Imagine the person they could have been. Sad for you.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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If a woman wants to tell an abortion story, I'd far rather it be about a legal one than an illegal one. But those who want abortion banned wants them all illegal and unregulated. The stories that come out of that awful situation are bound to be chilling.
Hermit Gossnel says it’s already largely unregulated.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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My abortion story: went in, got it done, left. Best decision I ever made.
What is to say, you deserved the same.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:25 PM
 
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My abortion story: went in, got it done, left. Best decision I ever made.
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...i'm sure it was...for the fetus, not so much....
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It doesn’t exist therefore, no thought process. Duh.
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If it didn't exist why did it have to be removed?
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I'm not anti-abortion, but there is something wrong with you.
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I would have to agree. One of you is enough.
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i heard that bitchslap right thru my monitor
Well at least she got the "no thought process" part right.

Abortion is an odd paradox.

"thefragile" is definitely not somebody any baby should be stuck with, or if she kept the baby and raised the baby with her own sensibilities, the world would just eventually have 2 idiots instead of one.

So, the presence of a woman so simultaneously cavalier, arrogant and, stupid advocating for abortion ...is itself a possible logical argument in favor of abortion...

...well except for the whole baby-murder thing...

...oh and there was one woman who said something to the effect of why should I feel guilty about an abortion for having recreational sex? Well, I dunno, why should I feel guilty if I run over someone after a night out of drinking?
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:55 PM
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Women that blasé about it usually have had more than one. Abby Johnson said PP wanted women to have at least 3 abortions but the time they were 30. That would be a good quota for a counselor to get.
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Have you considered posting anything supported by facts?

Let's see something factual about 'PP wanting women to have at least three abortions by the time they're 30'!

Or should that allegation just be placed in the hyperbolic nonsense file right now?
This woman worked at PP for eight years. She states the FACTS that what Janielle posted is true.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MxgS95iN90
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:00 PM
 
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Why not? It’s always “it’s gods will”, so what’s the explanation for those guys? Maybe answer the question this time.
It's not God's will when humans kill, where did you get that idea?
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