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Old 04-20-2019, 06:44 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The Crossroads....


History repeats itself.....


Refresh your memory of the document, that started this experiment in individual Liberties.
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Old 04-20-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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Those of us raised in Philly saw the originals regularly and learned every letter. It was always on display when you walked into the Franklin Institute and every school child within driving distance would have been there numerous times.

It said lots of stuff we still haven't fully lived up to - things you see disputed by many here on C-D, like "created equal"....

Mostly it laid out complaints.

Another thing it said that many people on C-D don't seem to understand is that you don't change things on a whim...you know, like King Trump attempts to do.
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes"

Many people should post that one on their walls. Maybe the Wall Mexico will pay for???
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Old 04-20-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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The Crossroads....
History repeats itself.....
Refresh your memory of the document, that started this experiment in individual Liberties.
So you're advocating a coup to abandon Trump, I gather?

It's difficult to interpret posts that have very little information.
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Old 04-20-2019, 11:14 PM
 
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So you're advocating a coup to abandon Trump, I gather?

It's difficult to interpret posts that have very little information.
Trump nor his administration, is the problem (presidents and administrations, are temporary, changes every 4-8 yrs), the problem we are dealing with goes MUCH deeper...it is this govt in general, the govt that remains in place despite who is in office, this is the 'govt' the people need to rise up and remove from power!
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Old 04-20-2019, 11:21 PM
 
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Trump nor his administration, is the problem (presidents and administrations, are temporary, changes every 4-8 yrs), the problem we are dealing with goes MUCH deeper...it is this govt in general, the govt that remains in place despite who is in office, this is the 'govt' the people need to rise up and remove from power!
I agree with this. Trump is just a demonstration of the worst of what can happen with stagnant legislative branch. We allowed this to happen .
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Old 04-20-2019, 11:33 PM
 
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The bottom line was independence from a birthright monarchy and serfdom. The very things that the right wing is aspiring to become again now with their condoning of corporate welfare, trickle down voodoo BS, income disparity and this desire to have an executive branch that is above the law which provides its family members with security clearance despite the fact that they are deemed not worthy. The right wing is a regressive party that is destroying democracy and the middle class and instead, endorsing and supporting the very thing the Revolution was fought to rid the nation of.

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Old 04-21-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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The bottom line was independence from a birthright monarchy and serfdom. The very things that the right wing is aspiring to become again now with their condoning of corporate welfare, trickle down voodoo BS, income disparity and this desire to have an executive branch that is above the law which provides its family members with security clearance despite the fact that they are deemed not worthy. The right wing is a regressive party that is destroying democracy and the middle class and instead, endorsing and supporting the very thing the Revolution was fought to rid the nation of.
It's a perfect example of "a little knowledge is worse than none at all"....some of the right actually has some issues correct. They know in their hearts that Capitalism of the US Type has left our lands and our people behind.

To hear the tea party (fake, of course) and some of the "forgotten men" (We'll call them reagan democrats or trump voters), they know they have been screwed. The Left has known we were headed this way for MANY decades, specifically since Nixon, Reagan, et. all.

But their partisanship stops them from realizing that 3/4 of the problem is with...dare I say....Republicans and their BS message of the "Free Market Invisible Hand". Even when it is laid out right in front of them in terms of billions from opiate peddling by Big Pharma, they don't see the connection.

Maybe it's because I was raised to ask the tough questions? My Dad is a cynic (on human nature and politics) and was a "libertarian" before such a thing was even really defined. He read Huxley and Orwell and even Freud (who was big back then) and many others....and he looked at the world with a eye that stripped away all the BS. At the same time, his favorite saying was "put the shoe on the other foot", perhaps a lesson from having been Jewish in more anti-semantic times??

In any case, that in addition to going through the counterculture time gave me a view of the world which always knew how they would grind you down if possible (that is, the man...police, corporations, society in general).

But this new crew...it's as if they just found out about this and it's a surprise to them! Based on their world-view, it all started with the Black POTUS. Everything was Great before then. Vaccuuming millions of American teens off the street and shipping them to Vietnam...GREAT. Getting off the Gold Standard due to debt from the Vietnam War and Oil Shocks? Great.

The idea that those oil shocks should have sent a decent and thoughtful country head-first into alt energy.....was against their religion. Their faith was $1 a gallon gas, and they still brag about cheap gasoline.

One wonders if this is just a stage they are going through in their learning process...or if they are so hardened in their world view (buttressed by State TV and Hate Radio) that it is hopeless?
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