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Old 04-26-2019, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by drinkthekoolaid View Post
You have your prejudices and cannot get past that to accurately analyze what happened and what was said. This conversation is pointless to continue.
I could say the same.

 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:15 AM
 
Location: NC
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Who were those people in the preppy outfits with torch’s shouting blood and soil, the UVA men’s choir.

Rather weak and dismissive comments by a president .
EXACTLY THIS. I don't care what the RWNJ's are trying to convince you about what the marchers "really meant".

Bottom line is that anyone marching in support of these groups is not a fine person. No way, no how. If the OP and the other lemmings were telling truth, then they would be able to point to 'fine people' who were not marching in support of the group. Rather, they would be denouncing the White Supremacists, and finding a better way to state their support for statues.

The only people spreading lies here are those on the right. The media reported what happened. If anyone interprets that as "Trump is a racist", that is with that person. The fact that it's true is great and all, but that's not the media's fault.

If Trump didn't have a long history of racism, just like his father, then maybe these stories would not take hold so easily. He is a racist, so it's disingenuous to try and blame it on the media.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Using the phrase, "there are very fine people on both sides," infers there are also bad people on both sides, which is what people with common sense understood. Of course, the so-called MSM and the dishonest Democrats took it, lied about it as meaning he was praising the KKK.

I wonder if these people actually are too stupid to understand this, or if they are just dishonest. I sense it's a bit of both.


Yes, it is. You know what else it obviously is? An attempt to establish a moral equivalency between the two sides. That's a bad look when one of side includes white supremacists.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: NC
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There were FOUR sides in total. He was only talking about TWO of them, the only ones that mattered. Nobody cared about the Nazi's or Antifa. Stop spreading lies.
Don't project.

The majority of Americans DO care about Nazi's and Antifa.

That your POTUS does not care about Nazi's should not be projected onto all of America. Most Americans actually are fine people. People who march in support of ANYTHING Nazi's are doing are not fine. A President who witnesses it, and not only fails, but REFUSES to call them out for what they are is not a fine person, and anyone who supports that President is thefore associated with his actions. Some of his supporters are actually fine people, but their support of him makes it really hard to see that. One has to assume they just don't comprehend what is going on (or they are not fine people). I am an optimist, I tend toward the former.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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If that's the case, Biden is as big a fool as Clinton (and Obama for that matter). Nothing like dividing this nation, playing identity politics and pissing off most American voters before the election. Trump has supported Americans of all races and genders-his efforts put the safety and security of Americans ahead of those from other nations. That is his job. Biden (and the rest of the Democratic candidates) seems determined to continue dividing the American people and sacrificing our safety, security and economic future for everyone in this world except Americans.
How has Trump not divided us as a nation even more so than Obama? How has he made us truly safer? How has Trump supported ALL Americans and not just the 1%? When you make a claim like this, back it up. The womanizer in chief has done little to unite us, even after the government shutdown. He had TONS of red meat and Democratic slams during his last state of the Union when he was looking for unity. Plain and simple he hasn't.

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Joe Biden has already come under fire from his own party and the order has been given to get rid of him. The Black Turkey on Sirius was criticizing him and practically called him out for pledging not to take lobbyists money and then going to a dinner given by a lobbyist.
Biden is probably going to regret he threw his white hood into the ring. Remember Hillary lied to frame Trump for having dealing with Putin when she was the one who did. Now Biden is falsely accusing Trump of racism with this lie when he's said racist things. Its the same old progressive game, accuse your opponent of what you're guilty of.
Biden is under fire not because he is the type of Democrat that lost in 2016, the centralist. The Democratic party is pulling to the left since the TEA Party Movement took over the Republican Party and it was cemented with Trump winning the White House. The MSM and mostly red states like Arizona think Biden is the Democratic nominee in waiting because he would appeal to that but we tried and failed with Hillary.

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Originally Posted by EastwardBound View Post
Using the phrase, "there are very fine people on both sides," infers there are also bad people on both sides, which is what people with common sense understood. Of course, the so-called MSM and the dishonest Democrats took it, lied about it as meaning he was praising the KKK.

I wonder if these people actually are too stupid to understand this, or if they are just dishonest. I sense it's a bit of both.
The problem here is the timing. It wasn't said about the idea of having the statue up or not, having a school or park named after a Civil War general from the Confederacy. No, this was about a rally promoted to White Nationalist, Neo-Nazi and KKK groups. Sorry as much as you want to sell it about the idea of the statue and name issue, but it was more about the rally and what one side represented.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I never knew that condemning racism was so difficult for a president.
you didnt figure that out with Obama? Because not only did that fool NOT condemn it, he openly encouraged anti white racism
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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Don't project.

The majority of Americans DO care about Nazi's and Antifa.

That your POTUS does not care about Nazi's should not be projected onto all of America. Most Americans actually are fine people. People who march in support of ANYTHING Nazi's are doing are not fine. A President who witnesses it, and not only fails, but REFUSES to call them out for what they are is not a fine person, and anyone who supports that President is thefore associated with his actions. Some of his supporters are actually fine people, but their support of him makes it really hard to see that. One has to assume they just don't comprehend what is going on (or they are not fine people). I am an optimist, I tend toward the former.
Give it up, you're trying to make something fit your narrative. Nothing like pounding a square peg into a round hole. Also, stop being a hater, it's a poor character quality.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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you didnt figure that out with Obama? Because not only did that fool NOT condemn it, he openly encouraged anti white racism
How did he do that? I'm am not an Obama supporter and didn't vote for him either time but I don't know what he did that was truly encouraging anti-white racism. Please support your claim.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:30 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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He failed to address the specific incidents and specific groups, certainly he could have issued a strongly worded statement regarding those carrying torches. It was a dumb statement him, those were not fine people on one side, the major protestors against the stature removal were not fine people. Keep slapping that head maybe it will sink in.
Tearing down statues of white guys and renaming schools is causing a seething anger that won't go away any time soon.

Why would the Left see such actions as a path to reconciliation?
 
Old 04-26-2019, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Originally Posted by Cruithne View Post
Why are you reviving this year old story?

Trump said:
"There were very fine people on both sides".
One of those sides being white supremacists.

Take it up with Trump. They are his words.
One of those sides contained a lot of people who simply didn't want to see the statue torn down, these people condemned the white supremacist a-holes who showed up.

In addition, the other side contained a lot of good people who opposed the white supremacists who were joined by Antifa a-holes.
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