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Old 05-13-2019, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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You folk are getting ridiculous. If we ever decide to run a set of US back bones the art is well known. You simply go with very high voltage DC and as many lines as you need. It is not a big problem in the US middle. And there are as many amps as you need. In fact it may make sense to centralize the remaining fossil fuel plants in the mid country where they can be dispatched in whatever direction is needed.
Nothing ridiculous about grid stability and maintaining 60 hz
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:08 AM
 
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Perhaps years ago, renewables weren't "meant" to power the world. But that was then. What matters is how we utilize them now and in the future. The renewable power sources that are being developed and will be developed that we know nothing about right now, are the hope of the future. As people have said, oil and natural gas will be needed for some time, as this transition happens. But coal is just not needed, and is destructive of our world. We need to decommission all coal powered plants as quickly as possible, switch to cleaner energy sources, and retrain everyone in the coal industry so that they have jobs that can adapt as our power sources change.

The only people who don't believe that climate change is aggravated by man's activities are:
1. People who don't understand the carbon cycle and how nature works or
2. People who benefit from the current system and would cover up anything to keep it (coal executives, etc.)
3. People for whom climate science gets in the way of their political philosophy, so they deny it or
4. People who care nothing about anything but themselves, and if something is causing a change in their comfortable and accustomed lives, they will say it is fake and walk away or
5. People too lazy to even pay attention.
You could have simply said "Conservatives" in one word.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:13 AM
 
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The author, Michael Shellenberger is a pro-nuclear energy advocate. His whole bias is anti-renewable.

And of course there are lots of articles that criticize his view.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:29 AM
 
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The author, Michael Shellenberger is a pro-nuclear energy advocate. His whole bias is anti-renewable.

And of course there are lots of articles that criticize his view.
LOL! Shellenberger is in the same class as James Hansen... after many years hanging out with utopians, they are now both REALISTS.

So, naturally, the AGW cultists now calls them both deniers and heretics.

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Old 05-13-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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LOL! Shellenberger is in the same class as James Hansen... after many years hanging out with utopians, they are now both REALISTS.

So, naturally, the AGW cultists now calls them both deniers and heretics.
I don't have a strong opinion about the guy -- you do. I had never heard of him so I did some reading this morning.

I was just pointing out for others that may not know that he is one of those that will make things fit into the box he has built.

Yes we all do -- but it helps to know when someone posts a link where the author is coming from.

I just was interested to see how many articles there are disputing his perception.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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It is a dead end technology the same as batteries. Now if they'd stop sitting on fusion and free up near limitless energy for the masses, we'd have a renaissance of invention and productivity the likes of which have never before been seen.
But.... they need to wring every last penny out of us before they'd ever do that. The energy business has first and foremost always been about making money and that goes for green energy, too.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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Nothing ridiculous about grid stability and maintaining 60 hz
Where I live in California we have a high percentage of renewables. Power outages here are very rare, maybe once a year, usually because a tree falls into a power line during a storm or when a drunk takes out a power pole.


IMHO increased solar and wind have increased reliability in California because it's homegrown and we are not as dependent on resources imported from out of state thousands of miles away.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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Where I live in California we have a high percentage of renewables. Power outages here are very rare, maybe once a year, usually because a tree falls into a power line during a storm or when a drunk takes out a power pole.


IMHO increased solar and wind have increased reliability in California because it's homegrown and we are not as dependent on resources imported from out of state thousands of miles away.
I have visited several refineries across US. Living near Texas city, I thought El Segundo or Torrance were supposed to be depressive refinery towns. But houses there sell for $1Musd and above.

Renewables and non renewables are not a problem themselves. Its the political attitude towards them which is a problem.
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:57 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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this DW story fits well here.

German Failure on the Road to a Renewable Future

"Germany's Federal Court of Auditors is even more forthright about the failures. The shift to renewables, the federal auditors say, has cost at least 160 billion euros in the last five years. Meanwhile, the expenditures "are in extreme disproportion to the results," Federal Court of Auditors President Kay Scheller said last fall, although his assessment went largely unheard in the political arena. Scheller is even concerned that voters could soon lose all faith in the government because of this massive failure."
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Old 05-13-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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this DW story fits well here.

German Failure on the Road to a Renewable Future

"Germany's Federal Court of Auditors is even more forthright about the failures. The shift to renewables, the federal auditors say, has cost at least 160 billion euros in the last five years. Meanwhile, the expenditures "are in extreme disproportion to the results," Federal Court of Auditors President Kay Scheller said last fall, although his assessment went largely unheard in the political arena. Scheller is even concerned that voters could soon lose all faith in the government because of this massive failure."
Speaking of roads, I just realized we're arguing with the same people that thought "Solar Freakin Roads" were a good idea... I am sooo out of here!
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