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Old 05-12-2019, 05:21 AM
 
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Didn't Holder refuse to testify?
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So what happened as a result?
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:21 AM
 
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the quickest way to get Trump re-elected is to begin impeachment proceedings. Pelosi knows it.
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Another reminder of how Nixon fell.

Trump’s Other Impeachable Offense
As Nixon learned, Congress will not abide a president who defies its subpoenas

James Reston Jr.

On July 30, 1974, nine days before President Richard Nixon resigned, the House Judiciary Committee added a third article to its impeachment charges against the president. The first two had dealt with obstruction of justice and abuse of power; Article III charged that Nixon had failed to comply with eight congressional subpoenas.
Mr. Trump's defiance can, in and of itself, form the basis for an additional impeachment article — a fact that Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, recognized on Thursday. "Ignoring subpoenas of Congress, not honoring subpoenas of Congress — that was Article III of the Nixon impeachment," she said.
https://www.voices4america.com/trump...are_id=4586818
I think you are not understanding how this works. There are 3 EQUAL branches of govt - Executive (Pres & Cabinet), Legislature (Senate & Congress) and Judicial (Courts). Each branch has a check on the others via different means but no branch is higher than the other. The Executive branch ignoring or denying a Congressional Subpoena does NOT constitute an impeachable offense, obstruction of justice nor abuse of power. A congressional subpoena request for information from executive branch is a request from an equal, not enforceable and executive branch has the option of declaring executive privilege on requests.

From Wikipedia "Executive privilege is the power of the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch of the United States Government to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of information or personnel relating to confidential communications that would impair governmental functions. The power of Congress or the federal courts to obtain such information is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, nor is there any explicit mention in the Constitution of an executive privilege to resist such requests from Congress or courts. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled this privilege may qualify as an element of the separation of powers doctrine, derived from the supremacy of the executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity."

Nancy Pelosi is blowing smoke in this case.
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:33 AM
 
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I think you are not understanding how this works. There are 3 EQUAL branches of govt - Executive (Pres & Cabinet), Legislature (Senate & Congress) and Judicial (Courts). Each branch has a check on the others via different means but no branch is higher than the other. The Executive branch ignoring or denying a Congressional Subpoena does NOT constitute an impeachable offense, obstruction of justice nor abuse of power. A congressional subpoena request for information from executive branch is a request from an equal, not enforceable and executive branch has the option of declaring executive privilege on requests.

From Wikipedia "Executive privilege is the power of the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch of the United States Government to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of information or personnel relating to confidential communications that would impair governmental functions. The power of Congress or the federal courts to obtain such information is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, nor is there any explicit mention in the Constitution of an executive privilege to resist such requests from Congress or courts. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled this privilege may qualify as an element of the separation of powers doctrine, derived from the supremacy of the executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity."

Nancy Pelosi is blowing smoke in this case.
Yup. And I'm sure all the Democrat lawyers in Congress know it.

They are just using this as an attempt to paint Barr as being bad and deceptive in advance of his discovery - and exposure - of the criminal acts of Democrats in regard to the Russia hoax. The only thing they have is to try to discredit him so that when the truth comes out, voters won't believe him.

Democrats are in panic mode.
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Old 05-12-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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If President Trump had committed an impeachable offense the rabid Dems would have already started proceedings.

They have been crying IMPEACH!!!!!!!! for almost 3 years.

The Dems are grasping at straws and at this point are hanging on by a teeny tiny shred hope which exists only in the pea brained recesses of their sick, twisted, deranged, corrupt minds.

Odd how the CD board allows the word IMPEACH in all caps but not other words.
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Executive branch ignoring or denying a Congressional Subpoena does NOT constitute an impeachable offense....
An Impeachable offense is whatever the House majority vote says it is despite any Constitutional terminology, that is why there is then a trial in the Senate to determine if the Impeachment is warranted.

Impeachment can be compared to Probable Cause for arrest, let's say figureatively.

Trial in the Senate to determine if PC exists to sustain the arrest or not, convict or aquit.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:16 AM
 
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Another reminder of how Nixon fell.

Trump’s Other Impeachable Offense
As Nixon learned, Congress will not abide a president who defies its subpoenas

James Reston Jr.

On July 30, 1974, nine days before President Richard Nixon resigned, the House Judiciary Committee added a third article to its impeachment charges against the president. The first two had dealt with obstruction of justice and abuse of power; Article III charged that Nixon had failed to comply with eight congressional subpoenas.
Mr. Trump's defiance can, in and of itself, form the basis for an additional impeachment article — a fact that Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, recognized on Thursday. "Ignoring subpoenas of Congress, not honoring subpoenas of Congress — that was Article III of the Nixon impeachment," she said.
https://www.voices4america.com/trump...are_id=4586818

trump cooperated with the mueller investigation as much as his lawyers would let him. in fact he never claimed executive privilege, never stopped witnesses from testifying, etc. he did complain about the investigation, like many people would, but he ultimately let it happen.


as for the house investigations, the democrats waited for the mueller report, and said they would accept its findings. they just never said they would accept it as long as it fit their narrative, which it didnt in the end. so they opened up more investigations that are in fact political in nature ONLY.



the democrats in congress want to impeach trump, and they will try anything to get it done. at this point trump has every right to fight their efforts in a purely political matter.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:17 AM
 
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“When the president does it, it is not illegal.”

Obstruction of justice doesn't count if you believe the crime(s) being investigated are false/unfair.

...

Republicans may pin on their wee lapel flag pins, but they don't actually believe in or support the rule of law as set down in our Constitution.

you are telling me Mueller outranks the President in the executive branch and ultimate decides what to investigate and when to close the investigation? LMAO!!!!


Comey testified that Trump was never under investigation so that means the President can decide when an investigation should end and he outranks Mueller.




The constitution doesn't say that an appointee in the executive branch outranks the President. The Legislative branch has their powers to conduct their own investigation into the Russian collusion and they did and the executive branch also has the powers to do it and the President has all the constitutional powers to end it when he feels like it and fired anybody underneath him that disagrees.


if the President feels that an investigation under him is a hoax and was started under false pretense he has all the constitutional powers to stop it and fired anybody underneath him who disagree. If Congress doesn't like it they can run their own investigation.


Constitution 101 for you buddy!
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:42 AM
 
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I think you are not understanding how this works. There are 3 EQUAL branches of govt - Executive (Pres & Cabinet), Legislature (Senate & Congress) and Judicial (Courts). Each branch has a check on the others via different means but no branch is higher than the other. The Executive branch ignoring or denying a Congressional Subpoena does NOT constitute an impeachable offense, obstruction of justice nor abuse of power. A congressional subpoena request for information from executive branch is a request from an equal, not enforceable and executive branch has the option of declaring executive privilege on requests.

From Wikipedia "Executive privilege is the power of the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch of the United States Government to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of information or personnel relating to confidential communications that would impair governmental functions. The power of Congress or the federal courts to obtain such information is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, nor is there any explicit mention in the Constitution of an executive privilege to resist such requests from Congress or courts. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled this privilege may qualify as an element of the separation of powers doctrine, derived from the supremacy of the executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity."

Nancy Pelosi is blowing smoke in this case.
It's worth noting what the same Wikipedia piece describes about United States v. Nixon:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:46 AM
 
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Yup. And I'm sure all the Democrat lawyers in Congress know it.

They are just using this as an attempt to paint Barr as being bad and deceptive in advance of his discovery - and exposure - of the criminal acts of Democrats in regard to the Russia hoax. The only thing they have is to try to discredit him so that when the truth comes out, voters won't believe him.

Democrats are in panic mode.
"Yup. And I'm sure all the Democrat lawyers in Congress know it."

The funniest thing is EVERY member of nadler's committee IS A LAWYER yet, he does NOT WANT a single one of the dem lawyers to question Barr but, to have staff member. etc. do it.

Why DOESN'T he TRUST THEM?

As I have said before, just because you that diploma does NOT necessarily mean you are SMART!
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