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Old 05-15-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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While most Trump supporters are the same neo-cons that supported the war in Iraq, there is a not insignificant part of Trump's base that is against foreign wars. In fact, the fact that Trump up until now has had a mostly anti-war stance except when it was necessary to be hawkish (like with NK) is one thing they like about Trump compared to a lot of other Republicans. If Trump was to reverse course and preemptively strike Iran (or some other middle eastern country), do you think that would help or hurt his re-election chances?
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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It doesn't matter what happens between now and 2020. When Trump is re-elected, the same unhinged left will blame anyone/anything, except their own snowflake lunacy. Common sense has 'left the building' of the Dem. party and all that remains is empty anti-Trump rhetoric.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:30 AM
 
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It doesn't matter what happens between now and 2020. When Trump is re-elected, the same unhinged left will blame anyone/anything, except their own snowflake lunacy. Common sense has 'left the building' of the Dem. party and all that remains is empty anti-Trump rhetoric.
Nice story.

Now answer the OP.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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While most Trump supporters are the same neo-cons that supported the war in Iraq, there is a not insignificant part of Trump's base that is against foreign wars.
Really? prove it

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If Trump was to reverse course and preemptively strike Iran (or some other middle eastern country), do you think that would help or hurt his re-election chances?
Hurt

for your information, Trump was the one who claimed, "Iraq war is a big fat mistake." I think this is why a lot of people (including me) voted him. If he dragged us in another endless war, he could kiss his presidency goodbye.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:34 AM
 
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While most Trump supporters are the same neo-cons that supported the war in Iraq, there is a not insignificant part of Trump's base that is against foreign wars. In fact, the fact that Trump up until now has had a mostly anti-war stance except when it was necessary to be hawkish (like with NK) is one thing they like about Trump compared to a lot of other Republicans. If Trump was to reverse course and preemptively strike Iran (or some other middle eastern country), do you think that would help or hurt his re-election chances?
Your post shows so much bias that it doesn't matter what anyone answers as you are just looking for more negativity to get your dislike or hate to Trump, across.

I'm not feeding your battery as your battery will stay charged with biased.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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Trump's run up to the pending conflict with Iran will be W. redux, but with differences.


The similarities are conservatives will follow like lemmings when Iran is declared a threat. Conservative commentators will line up and trash anyone as unpatriotic who opposes the war. Intelligence will be fabricated and lies told and promulgated.


The differences now however is with our allies. The will not be fooled by the greatest fool to ever hold the presidency. They know the Trump/Bolton/Pompeo alliance of stupidity is just itching for a war. They know they are fabricating lies. They will not join in this boondoogle.


In the end the war, if it comes to that, like the one in Iraq, will be an unmitigated disaster only a hundred times worse. Conservatives, just like they have done with the Iraq War, will deny they ever supported the war and blame everyone but themselves because it in their nature to do.


In the end it will hurt his election chances as well as all Republicans.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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This depends on how good the propaganda machine is. Trump is useless, so if it was only he the PR would suck.

But he has State TV and Radio, which is very good at propaganda, and they can bring Gorings words to the forefront.....

"“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”

— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

This country is definitely in an anti-intellectual (meaning...not thinking!) mood, so this will work to beat the band. All they have to do is come up with an "old shoe" or "babies on a bayonet" and the Right will lead the charge. Heck, you can see them laying the groundwork here already.

Watch out folks...the same old Neo-Cons are ready to pounce...well, to be honest, to have others pounce. This should be great for our national debt.

I'll be protesting this one from Day one and will not provide any cannon fodder. I may even change my lifestyle so I don't pay as much in taxes......

Trump is opposite world...nothing could be as bad. Nothing.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Trump's run up to the pending conflict with Iran will be W. redux, but with differences.


The similarities are conservatives will follow like lemmings when Iran is declared a threat. Conservative commentators will line up and trash anyone as unpatriotic who opposes the war. Intelligence will be fabricated and lies told and promulgated.




The differences now however is with our allies. The will not be fooled by the greatest fool to ever hold the presidency. They know the Trump/Bolton/Pompeo alliance of stupidity is just itching for a war. They know they are fabricating lies. They will no join in this boondoogle.


In the end the war, like the one in Iraq, will be an unmitigated disaster. Conservatives, just like they have done with the Iraq War, will deny they ever supported the war and blame everyone but themselves because it in their nature to do.
That's quite biased and unbalanced.

There are 2 general rules for any politician, always vote against the other side, and what gives them the most votes to get reelected. So just look at the core values of each side and start thinking how they could manipulate anything and everything to their advantage
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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Trump's run up to the pending conflict with Iran will be W. redux, but with differences.


The similarities are conservatives will follow like lemmings when Iran is declared a threat. Conservative commentators will line up and trash anyone as unpatriotic who opposes the war. Intelligence will be fabricated and lies told and promulgated.
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Well, they are already well underway in doing so. I was amazed to see all the peaceful Trumpkins on here saying we are at WAR with China.

Maybe just Iran won't be enough? WWIII would be a good move for Trump as he will be in the news every minute. That is all he desires.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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That's quite biased and unbalanced.

There are 2 general rules for any politician, always vote against the other side, and what gives them the most votes to get reelected. So just look at the core values of each side and start thinking how they could manipulate anything and everything to their advantage
Only on "one side" does this involve TRILLIONS of dollars and 100's of thousands of lives down the drain.

No, it is not morally equiv.
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