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So, seriously, no one sees this as a complete failure of UK to give the finger to the EU? No one sees the economic consequences that people who I know that live there have already seen?
No one sees that chaos is not a good economic policy?
But they are all interested in all the "stuff they think is coming down the pipe"????
Whatever your outlook, Brexit has been a failure for everyone involved...except, perhaps, the EU which is in the best position to bargain. This seems a perfect example of when someone (Brexiters) think they hold all the cards but they really hold none.
It seems to me just more evidence that the UK is still headed on the downward slope of "empire".
Oh, but no.
Haven't you heard?
As soon as the UK can get free of the EU it is going to return to the glory days of yesteryear when they ruled the waves and were the trading empire of the world.
The East India Trading Company may be gone and along with it the opportunity to exploit the less fortunate, but the opportunity to be the go-to folks in trade remains.
All those companies who are moving their non-UK operations out of the UK are going to be sorry, sorry, sorry.
Now that May is on the way out, it is just a matter of time until the Brexiteers get this organized.
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So, seriously, no one sees this as a complete failure of UK to give the finger to the EU? No one sees the economic consequences that people who I know that live there have already seen?
No one sees that chaos is not a good economic policy?
But they are all interested in all the "stuff they think is coming down the pipe"????
Whatever your outlook, Brexit has been a failure for everyone involved...except, perhaps, the EU which is in the best position to bargain. This seems a perfect example of when someone (Brexiters) think they hold all the cards but they really hold none.
It seems to me just more evidence that the UK is still headed on the downward slope of "empire".
I haven't seen any economic consequences, indeed Britain hasn't suffered the way many EU countries have due to the Euro Crisis and lots of other negative EU policies and a centralised economy based on the German economy.
The EU is something America could never ever join and would never join as it hands sovereignty, laws and even economic power to a foreign entity.
The American constitution wouldn't let you join something ike the EU.
As for trade we will trade the same way the rest of the world trade After eaving the EU, although given that the UK is Europe's largest market for manufactured goods they will most likely sit down and discuss a trade deal once we leave.
Boris Johnson the favourite to take over has already stated we leave regardless and I think you are about to see a very different approach to Theresa May.
As for trade deals that aren't sensible, try imposing tariffs on the rest of the world, as at least the UK has stated it's willing to trade tariff free with the EU whatever the outcome and the EU which has a vast budget surplus with the UK would have to be fairly stupid to turn down such an opportunity.
The EU is something America could never ever join and would never join as it hands sovereignty, laws and even economic power to a foreign entity.
The American constitution wouldn't let you join something ike the EU.
As for trade we will trade the same way the rest of the world trade After eaving the EU, although given that the UK is Europe's largest market for manufactured goods they will most likely sit down and discuss a trade deal once we leave.
Boris Johnson the favourite to take over has already stated we leave regardless and I think you are about to see a very different approach to Theresa May.
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If you want to make sure, you also need to replace John Bercow.
Bercow can't stop us leaving the EU, we leave by default, in other words as long as the future PM doesn't try to seek a further extension then we leave automatically.
In terms of Bercow, there will be an election down the line, possible after we have left and discussed trade terms, and Bercow's fate could then be sealed.
There are a lot of Tories gunning for Bercow, and he may be one of the few speakers not to be recognised by a seat in the House of Lords.
Its an impossible job, do you believe that someone like Boris Johnson can fix this.
Yes, if he is determined to do so. He says under his leadership as PM, we will leave the EU at the end of October, deal or no deal.
Tomorrow night, we will have the results of the EU elections that took place in the UK on Thursday. If as expected Nigel Farage's Brexit party has won big, then this will help Boris in his desire to get us out of the EU. We really need Nigel to have done real well.
The Tory establishment are terrified of Farage. The remainers maybe could force a General Election, if the Labour party call for a vote of no confidence in the Government. The Tories survived the last attempt this way to force an election, because they have enough MPs to beat all the opposition parties put together.
But, if some Tory MPs vote with the opposition, then there would be a General Election. Would some Tory turkey's vote for Christmas, to try and prevent us leaving the EU without a deal? They know, especially with Farage licking his lips at the thought of a General Election, that he would take millions of votes away from them. But the same is true of Labour. He would cause damage to them as well. Many political careers would end. But, maybe, they are willing to sacrifice themselves to prevent Brexit. Time will tell.
The EU need to believe that a Boris Johnson PM will take us out of the EU without a deal. Theresa May bottled it, and after promising over a hundred times in Parliament, that we would leave with or without a deal at the end of March, didn't do so.
We need to take it to the wire, stare them in the eye, then if we have to, jump. All we can do before the end of October, is carry on preparing as best we can for a no deal scenario. This has to end, one way or the other. The country is paralyzed. Business doesn't know what to do, and all political activity is concentrated in this one issue. We have to leave, and just get on with it.
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