Should the United States pay reparations to other countries? (generation, death, Obama)

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by shiftymh

Not to mention allowing them to use technology they would have never come up with on their own.

Allowing them to use technology? They didn’t ask for any technology. In fact, if it meant leaving them alone, they’d forego all the stuff that YOU can’t live without. They already have everything they need. .

Moreover, all this new “technology” wasn’t given to them as part of some program of altruism. It was introduced to them as consumers so that these companies will have a new market to sell the crap to. They’re no different than you. You didn’t create any new tech products either. You lack the same abilities to create tech that the third worlders lack. So you buy the tech that you need.

Lol...you made that post as if you’re Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Such as Vietnam, for example?

No-


Most nations owe us for saving their asses in WW1, WW2, and the Cold War. Prior to the US, most states (UK being the exception) were totalitarian states or monarchies. The system of government initiated by the US has been replicated and placed in dozens of places around the world, creating political freedom and economic prosperity.


Only liberals, who hate America and presume America to be a force of evil in the world, would suggest paying other nations for a laundry list of transgressions.


The US is responsible for the economic juggernauts in Asia, as well as the establishment of democratic republics in Europe. No other nation has led the way in creating an environment for free people to prosper.

[desertdetroiter]

Originally Posted by hawkeye2009

No-


Most nations owe us for saving their asses in WW1, WW2, and the Cold War. Prior to the US, most states (UK being the exception) were totalitarian states or monarchies. The system of government initiated by the US has been replicated and placed in dozens of places around the world, creating political freedom and economic prosperity.


Only liberals, who hate America and presume America to be a force of evil in the world, would suggest paying other nations for a laundry list of transgressions.


The US is responsible for the economic juggernauts in Asia, as well as the establishment of democratic republics in Europe. No other nation has led the way in creating an environment for free people to prosper.

Did we create a way for let’s say...Iraq, Iran or Guatemala to prosper? Did we make their people more free?

You yourself said that we’ve committed a “laundry list of transgressions.” That should just be forgiven because we actually managed to help a few nations?

You guys are talking AROUND the issue by making claims that salve your consciences about what happened. Why not just be truthful?

[thelogo]

Originally Posted by Brave New World

The West already does, it's called foreign aid and we have given trillons of dollars already, and will no doubrt continue to give more.

Western Government currently give around $120 billion in Foreign Aid or $1.2 Trillion a decade, and this figure desn't even include the donations given to charity.

So tax payers in Europe and North America are paying $120 Billion in reparations every year already.

You have no idea what foreign aids is used for. It goes to "strengthening democracy and security" in other words it goes to NGO's that shape and influence politics for western interests; also militarism, war on drugs, etc. which create more violence and corruption.

During the 80's the the international justice court ordered the US to pay Nicaragua billions of dollars for the damage and death by CIA sponsored terrorism. It was never paid; about $80 billions dollars when adjusted for today's money.

I'll give one example of foreign aids. USAIDS can build infrastructure without paying taxes in foreign countries with the promise it will be used for some social cause. In reality it ends up being used for American corporations like Chiquita.

For people who know how foreign aids work, it is clear organizations like USAIDS are just fronts for Western interest. The amount of money paid in debt servicing is a lot bigger that foreign aids. Whether it is loans or aids it is never used for investing in jobs and development, only for infrastructure that helps foreign rich people.

[Pilot1]

What countries has the U.S. colonies after defeating them on wars? Mexico, Spain, Germany, Japan? The U.S. rebuilt Germany and Japan after WWII, and I'm sure have had a lot to do with the economic miracle in Vietnam as well.

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Such as Vietnam, for example?

Nope.

It's a war we lost. The losing side is the one that should receive reparations.

It's more appropriate for Nam's allies Russia and China to flood them with aid.

[nedergras]

Originally Posted by Old Gringo

Nope.

It's a war we lost. The losing side is the one that should receive reparations.

It's more appropriate for Nam's allies Russia and China to flood them with aid.

Those countries deserve reparations from Russia for the stupid communist crap they pulled on them.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Such as Vietnam, for example?

I'm not seeing Vietnam, but Cuba would be one.

In 1898, under Spanish rule Cuban sugarcane field workers were paid $0.30/day.

In 1958 when the US put Castro in power, Cuban sugarcane workers were still getting paid $0.30/day.

Imagine not getting a pay raise for 60 years.

Oddly, National Sugar, a US corporation, paid its sugarcane field workers in Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala $0.90/day.

And, just as odd, National Sugar paid the sugarcane factory workers, the ones who process the sugarcane into sugar $4.50/day in Cuba, Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala.

Castro got a court order to compel National Sugar to pay $0.90/day, but National Sugar refused, knowing the US government had its back.

So, Castor seized their assets. It was his right under international law, US law and Cuban law.

Your textbooks and Puki articles don't say that, but that's actually what happened. The textbooks just say Castro seized assets, but never explain why he did.

Wages weren't the only issue.

National Sugar devalued its assets to avoid paying the paltry 8% royalty on profits and avoid paying taxes to the Cuban government. Castro had a court order for that, too, with a full accounting of the profits owed to Cuba and the back-taxes National Sugar owed, and for that matter, every US business in Cuba, because they all did the same thing.

Mexico. US oil companies owe back wages to the White Mexican workers who were educated at MIT, Ohio State, Purdue, Stanford et al with engineering degrees and royalties and back taxes. President Cardenas had a court order for that, because the oil companies committed fraud by devaluing their assets to avoid paying royalties and taxes. Cardenas gave the US oil companies a year to make good, and when they refused, Cardenas seized their assets.

FDR was so livid he was almost like Khrushchev pounding his shoe on the table demanding Mexico return the assets. Cardenas offered $24 Million which was the stated blue-value by the oil companies themselves.

That just infuriated FDR even more until he started frothing at the mouth and his leg braces got tangled up. We know from recently declassified documents FDR wanted to invade Mexico, overthrow the government and seize the oil and natural gas fields, but the generals wisely pressured FDR not to, because everyone knew we'd be at war with Japan.

Somalia is another. The US offered its standard US gets 92% of the profits and the host-country gets 8% of the profits, except US companies engage in fraud and devalue their assets to avoid paying the 8% profits, so effectively the US gets 100% of the profits, and US companies avoid paying taxes, too.

President Schemarke refused, so the US murdered him, then installed Mohammed Barre as puppet-dictator to sign off on the deal with Amoco, Texaco, Standard Oil (of New Jersey) and Conoco if I remember correctly. Barre didn't sign off on the deal and fleeced the US for years, before the US overthrew him, then his successor was overthrown and the Mohammed Adid eventually gained control during the civil war the US caused, and then we had a cool flick out of the deal: Black Hawk Down.

That's a lot of work just to get a movie out of it.

There are dozens of other countries: Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Brasil, Chile, Argentine, Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia, Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua, the Philippines to name a few.

Yeah, the US is wealthy, but only because it steals wealth and resources from everyone else.

[Rachel976]

The disdain that SOME liberals have for their own country just leaps off the screen.

I wish they'd move to a country they have respect for.

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Such as Vietnam, for example?

We make payments yearly.
Where have you been?
Don't tell me, there are people that don't know just how much of our hard earned tax dollars that are stolen from us under the threat of violence, is given to Vietnam in Foreign Aid.