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Old 06-22-2019, 03:54 PM
 
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Lol...so it’s okay if the United States becomes feudal Europe? What was the point of your ancestors coming to the Americas? To live under the same system where land is only in the hands of a few people? That’s what they were trying to escape.

100 families with 45 million acres! Lol...whatever. If that sounds good to you, then blehhhhh!
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:56 PM
 
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Lol...so it’s okay if the United States becomes feudal Europe? What was the point of your ancestors coming to the Americas?
US Constitutional Rights, including private property rights. Guaranteed to one and all.
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:58 PM
 
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The article explains it quite clearly: "Only the road outside of DF Development’s property is under the Forest Service’s jurisdiction, meaning DF Development has the ability to close off its private property."

So what? The US Constitution doesn't base who has and who doesn't have Constitutional Rights on one's political ideology.
True. But the question is one of easement rights. If the road is the only access to the public lands, an easement of necessity may exist or if the easement has been in existence for 20 years or more an easement by prescription may exist. Idaho's easement laws are explained as "murky." This is headed to court.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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US Constitutional Rights, including private property rights. Guaranteed to one and all.
As smart as the Founders were, they didn’t think of EVERYTHING when they wrote the Constitution.

Again, your ancestors ran out of Europe because land ownership was a near impossibility for all but the wealthiest people. That’s what we eventually want here?
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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Apparently, the Wilks have a habit of claiming portions of public lands as their own or denying access to it..

https://helenair.com/news/local/stat...59765e9bc7.htm
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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Apparently, the Wilks have a habit of claiming portions of public lands as their own or denying access to it..

https://helenair.com/news/local/stat...59765e9bc7.htm
I’m with you on this. There needs to be a limit.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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US Constitutional Rights, including private property rights. Guaranteed to one and all.
Actually, the constitution says little about private property. Only that you cannot be deprived of life, liberty and property without due process and that the government can not take your property without just compensation, but it can take your property.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:08 PM
 
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True. But the question is one of easement rights. If the road is the only access to the public lands, an easement of necessity may exist or if the easement has been in existence for 20 years or more an easement by prescription may exist. Idaho's easement laws are explained as "murky." This is headed to court.
If there is a legally recorded public use easement on the privately-owned property, that's the end of it. Is there? If there is no such legally recorded easement, due process must be observed and the property owner(s) must be paid just compensation if the attempted taking of their private property for public use is successful.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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As smart as the Founders were, they didn’t think of EVERYTHING when they wrote the Constitution.

Again, your ancestors ran out of Europe because land ownership was a near impossibility for all but the wealthiest people. That’s what we eventually want here?
Land ownership in the US is available to any and all. Have at it! The US Constitution guarantees everyone's private property rights.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:13 PM
 
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If there is a legally recorded public use easement on the privately-owned property, that's the end of it. Is there? If there is no such legally recorded easement, due process must be observed and the property owner(s) must be paid just compensation if the attempted taking of their private property for public use is successful.

Not necessarily. There is easement by prescription. This easement works like adverse possession. If I or a group of people have used a road for 20 or more years, we have an easement regardless of whether it is recorded or written, especially if it is our only means of imgress and egress. In this case, this access seems to have been in use for decades.


I have no doubt the Wilkes purchased the property with full knowledge of this road as an access to public lands.
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