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Old 06-25-2019, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
"Obama did it too" is no excuse for children sleeping on concrete floors, without medical treatment, etc.

I'm surprised people actually post such stupid statements.

You know what didn't happen while Obama was POTUS? Not a single child died in DHS custody.

These are the six who died in the last few months:

Darlyn Cristabel Cordova-Valle
Jakelin Caal Maquin
Felipe Gómez Alonzo
Juan de León Gutierréz
Wilmer Josué Ramírez Vásquez
Carlos Gregorio Hernández Vásquez
10 year old Salvadoran Darlyn traveled with no family members to the border, hoping to see her mother who had been here illegally for 9 years. Think about that for a moment; she had been left by her own mother around 1 years of age. Darlyn had a heart condition, and despite being treated in 3 separate hospitals over a period of months, eventually died last September.

should we continue?


It is indeed a human tragedy that these children perish. But unless they come in healthy, I for one find it preposterous to assign the entire blame to the US.

It would be so refreshing if folks actually wanted to discuss, debate and try to solve these issues instead of merely repeating insults and untenable ideas. Obviously, that's expecting too much.

 
Old 06-25-2019, 08:00 AM
 
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Sarah Fabian must be right !!!
The Dems can't pass aid that would provide those items to them !!!

Democrats are posers when it comes to helping children !!! Posers !!!

Children are pawns to democrats in the hate Trump game !!!

Last edited by phma; 06-25-2019 at 08:09 AM..
 
Old 06-25-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
$250/day/child to $750/day/child has been allocated.

Seems like that would be sufficient to provide the "Holiday Inn treatment."

"It costs approximately $250 per day to house a migrant child at a standard, permanent shelter, said Mark Weber, an HHS spokesman. But at an influx facility like Homestead, the cost is triple that - around $750 per day. It is covered by American taxpayers."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1Q3261
"... a private, for-profit company with a growing line of business in housing immigrant children".

It is a business not a social program. Taxes are used to provide the least services for the most among of money.
 
Old 06-25-2019, 08:28 AM
Status: "Moldy Tater Gangrene, even before Moscow Marge." (set 2 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Before we go back to quibbling about MAGA hats at school outings, and ain't AOC a fright, perhaps we reflect for a moment on how deeply shameful this is.

https://twitter.com/soledadobrien/st...73109900685312
Watch the defenders say that people didn't sleep on beds or use soap back in 10,000 BC. Whatever that claim's demerits, at least that claim's consistent with "nature" arguments - the ones used to rationalize, excuse, or justify present-day brutality toward others due to kneejerk petty distastes of one trait or another.

If people don't actually need beds and soap, then it's also pointless for law-abiding billionaires, accountants, or mid-level jet aircraft mechanics to use them too. After all, they don't need them to survive or even thrive. Any other claim to the contrary is just justifying our being spoiled by post-Stone Age "creature comforts".

If you think it's a need for law-abiding working class or higher socio-economic classes, then it's also a need for law-breakers (under the too-generous-by-multiples assumption these children are lawbreakers).
 
Old 06-25-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
"Obama did it too" is no excuse for children sleeping on concrete floors, without medical treatment, etc.

I'm surprised people actually post such stupid statements.

You know what didn't happen while Obama was POTUS? Not a single child died in DHS custody.

These are the six who died in the last few months:

Darlyn Cristabel Cordova-Valle
Jakelin Caal Maquin
Felipe Gómez Alonzo
Juan de León Gutierréz
Wilmer Josué Ramírez Vásquez
Carlos Gregorio Hernández Vásquez
Agreed.

Our focus should be on the innocent children.
 
Old 06-25-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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where is the Democrat-majority House passing an emergency spending bill to increase the number of facilities so they're less crowded, have more beds, have more supplies, etc?

Where?

the only "solution" I've seen proposed - hey, maybe I've missed it - is abolish ICE and close the centers. IOW, free all the detainees to go wherever they please in the US.
It appears Trump threatens to veto any bill the Dems are putting forth.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whi...ntry-less-safe
 
Old 06-25-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BoBromhal View Post
10 year old Salvadoran Darlyn traveled with no family members to the border, hoping to see her mother who had been here illegally for 9 years. Think about that for a moment; she had been left by her own mother around 1 years of age. Darlyn had a heart condition, and despite being treated in 3 separate hospitals over a period of months, eventually died last September.

should we continue?


It is indeed a human tragedy that these children perish. But unless they come in healthy, I for one find it preposterous to assign the entire blame to the US.

It would be so refreshing if folks actually wanted to discuss, debate and try to solve these issues instead of merely repeating insults and untenable ideas. Obviously, that's expecting too much.
I don't blame the US for the sick children who come across our borders. However, I do blame the US for their horrific treatment of those who make it to the detention centers. They should be bathed, clothed, fed sufficiently, given bedding instead of sleeping on concrete floors. The sick should be cared for more thoroughly. Those things the US CAN do.
 
Old 06-25-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
Some of these places are getting $750 per day per child.

How much (more) needs to be allocated?

What is the money being spent on?
That's a good question. It's like during wartime when defense contractors are the ones making the money. The corrupt will always find a way to take.
 
Old 06-25-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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These immigrants aren't complete idiots. They know (or have heard) what type conditions await them at these centers. But that doesn't deter them in the least and they still keep coming. Most of them would step over their own mothers to get here.
 
Old 06-25-2019, 09:01 AM
 
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These immigrants aren't complete idiots. They know (or have heard) what type conditions await them at these centers. But that doesn't deter them in the least and they still keep coming. Most of them would step over their own mothers to get here.
Kinda gives you a picture into the environment they're leaving, doesn't it?
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