Trump and Kim take big steps toward world peace (Barack Obama, ratings, party)

[ATX Wahine]

Originally Posted by pknopp

I was raised in a Quaker (Friends) church and I get flak for my belief that we need to quit being so violent towards others.

You'll note I also said I had no problem here and I would hope that a president can engage all world leaders.

Ummm ... ok?

[crone]

Originally Posted by LauraC

Secretly, I might add.

I could have far more respect for some on the far right if they would at least acknowledge facts.

The money turned over to Iran was Iran's money. They paid for some planes back when the hostages were seized. Plus all their other funds in the USA.

The USA kept the money but did not deliver the planes. For many years.

Iran sued in the world Court. The judgement was on the way. The court was going to give them their money back plus much more interest.

Due to sanctions against Iran, there was no banking relationship to write the check through.

I'll admit it was handled badly.

But at least the Iranians were not advised to keep the hostages until the new POTUS was sworn in to get a better deal.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

So Trump made an off color comment twenty years ago when he thought it was just between him and another guy. Bill Clinton actually DID what Trump said while in OFFICE while IN the Oval Office, but I'm sure that is OK with you. It doesn't make what Trump said right, but it was just a comment, not an ACTION.

You obviously have no idea what I am OK with. I have never said a word of support for Bill or Hillary here but this is generally the reply.

You can't address what I say, so you have to create something to argue against.

To bring that statement into the conversation about North Korea and the pursuit of world peace is even beneath YOU, and that is saying a lot.

I replied to a point another made.

[skeddy]

why didn't obama try to work out a nuclear agreement with Kim? fear?.... intimidation?

[LauraC]

Originally Posted by RcHydro

Photo op. Conmen grifters do nothing for the good of others. Trump always has an angle. Its always about him.

Did you say that when Obama went to Cuba?

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by skeddy

why didn't obama try to work out a nuclear agreement with Kim? fear?.... intimidation?

Incompetence
He didn't want to be bothered
Too difficult
Too busy doing Democrat fundraisers (he campaigned for eight years just giving speeches)
Too busy playing golf, going to Hawaii, Martha's Vineyard, etc
Was thinking about his big payday (books, donations, speaking fees)
Focused on Fundamentally Transforming the U.S. (N. Korea already Fundamentally Transformed)
It wasn't on the Soros, Bloomberg, or Richard Branson "To Do" list

[trobesmom]

Originally Posted by boneyard1962

The left only hates it because it was Trump who did it first. Had it been Obama they would be demanding that a mountain be carved in Obama's image capturing the moment.

Oh please. Kim only did that to stoke Trump's ego. I'm sure it worked. Meanwhile, Kim will continue to not denuclearize.

[evilnewbie]

All I hear from the left is Wah Wah Wah... If Obama did it,they would demand the fifth Nobel Peace Prize for him... Silly TDS

[WaldoKitty]

WOW!!!!!

Trump Becomes the First Sitting President to go to North Korea. Nuclear Talks resumed. Peace. Contrast this to his predecessors who started war after war.

No wonder Jimmy Carter is bitter. He absolutely failed when he went there.




(I noticed the leftists going into full blown "Orange Man Bad" mode. It must be terrible to live a life where your only activity is to see someone else fail.)

[moneill]

Originally Posted by skeddy

why didn't obama try to work out a nuclear agreement with Kim? fear?.... intimidation?

Because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it wasn't in the works.

That's the thing - -historically administrations don't grandstand -- They don't promote, make a show of all the background back and forth. I've included specific events for the first couple of years....there's more at the site.

Look -- nothing wrong with trying to work with North Korea. But it is an absolute falsehood to suggest Trump is the first President to do so. It is not a falsehood to say Trump is the first President to make a show of it...and Kim Jung Un clearly enjoys the show and opportunity to use the pictures of Trump in North Korea for propaganda purposes.

It's all fun & games until there is an agreement that is ADHERED to. Historically North Korea has agreed to conditions before & historically has not followed through.

Everyone should be skeptical.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron
September 11, 2009: State Department spokesman P. J. Crowley tells reporters that the United States is “prepared to enter into a bilateral discussion with North Korea” as a precursor to resuming the six-party talks.
October 5, 2009: Xinhua News Agency reports that Kim Jong-Il informed Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao that Pyongyang was ready to return to multilateral talks provided bilateral talks with the United States yielded a favorable result.
November 9, 2009: P. J. Crowley, State Department spokesman, tells reporters that Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth will lead a group to Pyongyang for direct talks with the North Korean government.
December 8-10, 2009: Officials for the Obama administration hold their first senior-level meetings with the North Korean government in Pyongyang. U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth leads to delegation to Pyongyang, where he delivers a letter from President Obama to Kim Jong-Il.
April 26, 2011: Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter visits Pyongyang, accompanied by three other former heads of state, in a bid to revitalize negotiations.
July 28-29, 2011: U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth and North Korean First Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Gwan meet in New York, as part of efforts to revive multilateral talks on North Korea’s nuclear program. This marked the first high-level meeting between the United States and North Korea in nearly two years, and the United States reportedly reiterated its willingness to restart negotiations if North Korea displayed committed itself to being a constructive partner in the negotiation process.