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Old 08-29-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Shouting down someone and trying to prevent them from speaking shows contempt for the first amendment. Shouting down someone asking for something as simple as the Pledge. which shows respect for the nation, is anti-American.


Why is it that liberals are always the ones committing fascist acts that are contrary to individual liberties? What are they so afraid of?


If your commie friend who was shouting down the "Pledge gal" wanted to talk, he should have waited his turn like a normal human. Instead, he chose to act like a fascist (liberal) and intimidate someone with a different point of view.


Liberals routinely use violence and intimidation, as they do not respect the individual rights of others.
I do agree with you that we should not shout down others. But it's not just liberals that do that.

And the "Pledge gal" got to speak her piece. It simply took her 7 minutes instead of 4 minutes.

 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:24 PM
 
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So leftists won't condemn and denounce the anti-American heckling of the pledge of allegiance? That's what I thought.
You can recite an oath of loyalty to your heart's content. But it is far from anti-American for others to refuse to do so.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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Will leftist denounce and condemn the heckling the pledge of allegiance? Or will leftists stand on the side of traitors?
I didn't know we had a game of "Rightwinger fallacy bingo" going? Whoever had "False Dilemma" can mark that off.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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You're right. Liberals do not hate free speech -- as long as that speech agrees with their beliefs.

(Of course, I am talking only about some liberals.)
They don't hate free speech. Period.

Do they disagree with some of the content of others' free speech? Absolutely. Just like so many conservatives disagree with other's free speech. This thread is a shining example. Lots of people disagreeing with each other.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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They aren't traitors.

Americans are not required to recite an oath of loyalty. And they should not be.
But only a traitor or at least someone anti-American would be opposed to pledging loyalty.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:30 PM
 
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I didn't know we had a game of "Rightwinger fallacy bingo" going? Whoever had "False Dilemma" can mark that off.
Nope this is the standard leftist use on conservatives, condemn this, denounce that or you are what we excuse you of.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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She, a FORMER community college professor, decided to attend the business meeting to put on a show with her little flag.For what real purpose?
That is of course the question being studiously avoided by the right-wing contingency in this thread. Do we meekly accept people taking everyone's time in a professional setting, merely so they can grandstand in pretend-patriotism? In what workplace is that normal or accepted?
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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Nope this is the standard leftist use on conservatives, condemn this, denounce that or you are what we excuse you of.
"Tu Quoque", check.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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It's easy to tell who here didn't understand the conflict in this situation and instead used it as a springboard to rant.
 
Old 08-29-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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But only a traitor or at least someone anti-American would be opposed to pledging loyalty.
That's not true.

An oath of loyalty requirement is insulting. It comes from a time and place where knights and nobles were required to pledge fealty, and it was about money and warfare. Kings and nobles needed money and men to advance their interests. When the United States was founded, it was a rejection of this system. The United States was founded upon the idea that the people would direct the government. There was no need for the people to take an oath of loyalty to that government, in fact, quite the opposite. It is the government's obligation to be loyal to the people, to use its power and resources to benefit the people. The Pledge of Allegiance was rooted in the fear of the Communist boogeyman. I reject that fear entirely.

The United States was a trailblazer in crafting an entirely different relationship between a government and the people. An oath of loyalty circumvents that relationship as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.
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