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Old 09-07-2019, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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Remember when hospitals were “not for profit” and instead became a money making machine for stockholders? And we're making America Great Again?

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It’s not because she and her children are uninsured; according to the hospital, the charges are what she owed after her insurer had paid. But Ms. Price said she had never received an itemized bill outlining exactly what she owed money for. The collection agency wanted the balance in full, and she was not able to work out a payment plan until after she was sued. <snip>
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September 6, 2019 – Gene Grant and The Line opinion panel discuss the abundance of lawsuits filed by Carlsbad Medical Center against its patients – an aggressive practice highlighted by The New York Times. Patients often find themselves in a financial bind due to the difficulty of knowing exactly what their costs will be until the bill comes. Then, they can’t pay and sometimes can’t even set up a payment plan. While the majority of hospitals don’t make it a regular practice to take their patients to court, the Carlsbad Medical Center has filed more than 3,000 suits since 2015. The Line debates whether the state should be stepping in to stem the lawsuit tide.
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Old 09-07-2019, 03:26 PM
 
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What prevents people like you from pooling money to open non-profit hospitals?

Oh, I guess nothing but the love you have of YOUR money and refusal to let it out of your sight.
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Old 09-07-2019, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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What prevents people like you from pooling money to open non-profit hospitals?

Oh, I guess nothing but the love you have of YOUR money and refusal to let it out of your sight.
Wow.

Someone points out the problems with the practices of a hospital and your first response is to tell them to open a hospital. What a wonderful human being you must be.
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:00 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I cant speak for the rest of the country, but most hospitals in my area are still not for profit hospitals. At least all the major hospitals, anyway. Around here, it is usually the smaller hospitals that change over to for profit, and they are usually the hospitals that were not very good in the first place.
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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Wow.

Someone points out the problems with the practices of a hospital and your first response is to tell them to open a hospital. What a wonderful human being you must be.
Obviously not as wonderful as someone like you who volunteers other people's money to build, maintain and operate something with all the risk and no return.
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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Even not for profit hospitals are still fee for service and trying to maximize revenue and salaries by pushing the most expensive and evasive and damaging procedures at the expense of patients' health and even their lives.
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:18 PM
 
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Even not for profit hospitals are still fee for service and trying to maximize revenue and salaries by pushing the most expensive and evasive and damaging procedures at the expense of patients' health and even their lives.
Even if those are not-for-profit from a legal standpoint, how is that not-for-profit from a practical standpoint?
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Obviously not as wonderful as someone like you who volunteers other people's money to build, maintain and operate something with all the risk and no return.
You just told someone to use their money to open a hospital.
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:21 PM
 
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Even if those are not-for-profit from a legal standpoint, how is that not-for-profit from a practical standpoint?
I think it is. They just don't report a profit and get tax exemptions but their revenues and high salaries tell a different tale.
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Old 09-07-2019, 04:25 PM
 
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Do people even understand what "not for profit" means?

Only difference between that and for profit institutions is where money goes. For profit places pay out to shareholders/investors. Not for profit by law must direct funds back into their mission.

There are great for profit hospitals and their are bad, ditto for non-profit.

Here in New York by law all hospitals are "non-profit" and care historically has varied by institution. Many of the larger and or wealthy systems have faced accusations for years they fail to provide enough indigent care.

In fact if you are poor, don't have insurance, on Medicaid, good luck getting into any of the top NYC hospitals. Unless you show up at their emergency rooms *and* they don't fob you off to another hospital due to "lack of beds", that is pretty much only way you'll get past front door.
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