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What happened to states rights? Oh I know, Trumpers have no core and states rights only matter when Trumpers say they do because in Trump world there is no rule of law just what thy master tells you it is
California is using the latter to address greenhouse gas emissions too, which the Supreme Court has recognized as a pollutant qualified for regulation.
It was recognized as pollutant under the 1990 Amendment to the Clean Air Act, it was never intended to be used for green house gases. New legislation could make this ruling moot, even the Democrats Energy bill passed in 2009 stripped them of this power.
The weakening of the clean water act allowing developers and farmers to dump increased levels of pollutants into waterways, roll back on chemicals in agriculture, reduced capture of methane release from fracking.
What I said was specifically and "implemented and active".
Good news. The EPA is apparently going to revoke California's authority to set vehicle standards, perhaps as soon as tomorrow.
This article is from CNN. Please keep that in mind, as that obviously increases the likelihood that it could be 'Fake news'.
Right off the bat, I think state's probably do have the right under the Constitution to set their own standards higher than the US so I don't think this is a good idea by the EPA and the Feds unless I'm missing something.
Right off the bat, I think state's probably do have the right under the Constitution to set their own standards higher than the US so I don't think this is a good idea by the EPA and the Feds unless I'm missing something.
If they can set them higher then why not lower?
If I understand correctly the waiver was granted in 1970 because CA already had regulations on their own. The waiver was granted because they exceeded federal standards, once the federal standards exceeded those set by CA it should of been revoked and that would of been decades ago.
It's not practical to have 50 states setting their own standards for these things especially from manufacturing point of view. Environmental regulations have become political footballs and it's not good for business or the consumers pocket books. Obama jacking them through the roof was not a good idea, Trump rolling them back puts any investment into development to meet those high standards at risk.
This see sawing has to end and both parties are to blame. We need concise, practical long term goals and that should be done by legislation instead of leaving it to the discretion of the EPA.
It was recognized as pollutant under the 1990 Amendment to the Clean Air Act, it was never intended to be used for green house gases. New legislation could make this ruling moot, even the Democrats Energy bill passed in 2009 stripped them of this power.
The Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that GHG are a pollutant and recognized under the Clean Air Act, what bill in 2009?
If I understand correctly the waiver was granted in 1970 because CA already had regulations on their own. The waiver was granted because they exceeded federal standards, once the federal standards exceeded those set by CA it should of been revoked and that would of been decades ago.
It's not practical to have 50 states setting their own standards for these things especially from manufacturing point of view. Environmental regulations have become political footballs and it's not good for business or the consumers pocket books. Obama jacking them through the roof was not a good idea, Trump rolling them back puts any investment into development to meet those high standards at risk.
This see sawing has to end and both parties are to blame. We need concise, practical long term goals and that should be done by legislation instead of leaving it to the discretion of the EPA.
Why is it not practical for state to address a severe pollution problem, it has been practical for 50 years and no one had an issue. This is not the only area in which CA is addressing their air quality issues.
MA, NY, NJ and others also have pollution problems and want the compromise of 51 MPG by 2026.
Trumps roll back is a solution looking for a problem.
Sorry but you obviously never spent time in LA before the pollution curbs.
I well remember coming out of a restaurant in Pasadena in the late 60s when my eyes teared up so bad I could not drive. Had to sit in the car with AC going for 10 minutes before I could see to drive. In the early 70s we had a facility in Pomona that was so bad we had trouble maintaining the managers to run it.
Yes, I remember third stage smog alerts when we were called off the school playground in the 1960s.
In 1980, Obama was disturbed by the smog in L.A. when he attended Occidental.
The state's Democratic attorney general, Xavier Becerra, led a coalition of 22 other states and three cities to bring a lawsuit Friday against the Department of Transportation. The department, along with the Environmental Protection Agency, unveiled a series of joint actions Thursday to pull back California's authority to set and enforce greenhouse gas limits stricter than federal levels.
"I started my career litigating to clean up the air in California with one of the first Clean Air Act cases ever filed," Mary Nichols, California's top air regulator, said in a statement. "I won then and we will win now."
The attorneys general are suing the Transportation Department's finding that federal law preempts any state, including California, from regulating cars' greenhouse gases, because such standards are overlap with fuel economy limits.
Let's hear it for pollution and senseless consumption!
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