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Neither party should win the presidency thanks to the electoral college and popular vote be damned. As long as we the people cannot elect the president with our votes, the US will not be a true democracy. No other democracy in the world has a body like the electoral college standing between the people and their vote. I'd feel this way no matter which party came into power without the backing of the popular vote.
You'd still have SCOTUS so they would be overturning a lot of laws passed.
We know Trump said it was a scam, as did all his supporters. Then he changed his mind, and so did all his supporters.
Incorrect, at least with most conservatives and moderates that voted for Trump. The the constitutional protections of this country are much bigger than any one president.
I find it funny how you always look for contradictions when it comes to the other guys, but never those on your team.
There are plenty, trust me.
For example, and you and other Hillary supporters conveniently forget that Hillary & Co were afraid she might lose the popular vote to a popular TV star in places like LA, NYC, etc.
However they felt very comfortable with her so called "Blue Wall" in the EC. So they went on the talk shows and pushed the narrative it was only the EC that mattered, not the popular vote.
They were right of course, but she and her staff became so confident she would win both, they apparently forgot to campaign in places they thought were locked up.
As it relates to this subject, that is exactly the fear supporters of the constitution have, because candidates could limit their campaigning and promises to just the populace urban cites in a select few states and win the national election. They would completely ignore "fly over country", and small states (or even big ones) with low populations by comparison.
So Hillary gave you all a taste of what would happen if the EC was abolished, it just backfired on her since the EC still rules as the law of the land.
As liberals represent more than half the country you might want to rethink why you hate liberals.
I know you were responding to another poster, but here is my take.
I think half the country are wedded to a political party in that they have always been Democrats. However the good majority of this country is center-right, and while the Democrats use to get those votes by being more moderate, they have gone radical left.
It has been happening for some time now, but not with the blistering pace of today. Hillary like a fool tried to get left of an avowed socialist (he is really a communist but to smart to admit it). She jettisoned her husbands more moderate/pragmatic positions, and even trashed many of them.
Now you have almost every Democrat in lock step with Pelosi & Shumer, and they are not as radical left as the so called "Justice Democrats who keep getting wackier by the minute.
That is not to mention all the potus candidates trying to be more radical leftist than the next.
I suspect that if the Democrats get trounced, there will be an effort of moderates to try and take back the middle, rather than allowing the liberal kooks to ruin the party.
It’s absolutely farcical to believe in 2019 that the needs of folks in “flyover country†are any different than those on the coasts. It’s a silly fairytale that we are that different. Some of us are bigots, others are not. That’s the only difference. Big city, small town... the needs are all the same: healthcare, a good paying job, affordable education for your kids and clean drinking water.
Even with the EC the big states get all the attention anyway. Campaigning rarely happens outside of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
BTW, not sure where that “hillary’s campaign was afraid of loosing votes in L.A. and NYC because Trump was a star...†came from but that alternate fact takes the cake!
Thinking she had it wrapped up, Hillary was everywhere raising cash for down ballot candidates because, you know, she’s a professional that understands how it works (winning without a mandate and without a coalition is no prize). The big money is in L.A. and NYC. She was the cash cow for the DNC and was doing what she was supposed to do. If you’re so sad that a person doesn’t campaign in your town that you go for a demonstrably unqualified, crass fraud, that’s just sad. I’ve never been to a political rally in my 50 years and I’ve never missed an election.
Now you have almost every Democrat in lock step with Pelosi & Shumer, and they are not as radical left as the so called "Justice Democrats who keep getting wackier by the minute.
That is not to mention all the potus candidates trying to be more radical leftist than the next.
I suspect that if the Democrats get trounced, there will be an effort of moderates to try and take back the middle, rather than allowing the liberal kooks to ruin the party.
]I'd rather be listening to what Pelosi and Shumer have to say than bowing down in blind adoration and subservience to the trump thing. You seem to have a major issue with liberals care to elaborate on what those issues are?
Then get busy lining up the 38 states you need to change it.
Individual states are already changing it, no need for national reform. The EC will be done in our lifetimes.
It was born out of racism and will die in the new progressive area.
Contrary to what journalists without credentials tell you on right wing media, the country is in no way center-right on social issues, healthcare and the environment. This is true if you live in Iowa or Rhode Island.
Individual states are already changing it, no need for national reform. The EC will be done in our lifetimes.
It was born out of racism and will die in the new progressive area.
Contrary to what journalists without credentials tell you on right wing media, the country is in no way center-right on social issues, healthcare and the environment. This is true if you live in Iowa or Rhode Island.
The EC will never be eliminated without an amendment to the constitution. Bet your life savings on it.
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