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people are equal but the world rewards some traits more than others..all people have purpose some you have too look at very very hard to find IMO..one of my favorite examples is the french underground during ww2 composed of criminals used to circumventing authority...but when polite society collapsed one must go to the Marquis for hope..in short in any given situation one never really knows who will rise to the cause
The issue of equality under the law was basically settled in the United States many decades ago. There is no need to rehash that.
This thread is about socioeconomic outcomes.
Check the title.....maybe the OP is trying to fool people?
"Do you really believe in human equality?
AND, if we have equality under the law, why doesn't the POTUS and anyone in the admin or WH have to answer questions from Congress? I'd be jailed immediately if I didn't show.
No, equality under the law does not exist in the USA. This is a proven fact and even very recent studies have proven it over and over again.
Perhaps we should further that cause instead of thinking about silly things like a 4 foot basketball playing making as much as a 7 foot one?
I'm curious where people fall on the spectrum of belief about equality.
Do you believe that humans are basically equal and, given the same opportunities and experiences, everybody would achieve the same things?
Or do you believe that there are fundamental differences among humans that will always keep humans unequal?
I don't really agree with the way you've framed the question, as equality being a choice between two outcomes of "achieving the same things" gs. "humans being unequal" . your editorializing complicates the question.
every human has a wide variety of inputs to their life outcome -- genetics, parental investment, resources, social, etc.
I believe that people are not equal, but that inherent inequality does not explain all of the disparity in outcome. There are societal structures beyond an individual's control that tip the scales for or against them.
The stupidity is the "equal outcomes" part....assumes that a 4 foot tall fella should get a 30 million dollar a year NBA contract.....
A more thoughtful poll would be about just one facet of equality.
like
Do you believe that Americans have equality under the law?
or
Do you believe Americans SHOULD have equality under the law?
1. Yes, everyone should
2. No, I think we should treat different classes of people differently.
Etc. etc.
This polls is more like "When did you last beat your wife?".
1. Recently
2. Not very recently
3. No answer
There's nothing wrong with the poll.
The OP is referring to human equality according to dispositions and outcomes, which many on the left ostensibly believe to be true. One can either believe, disbelieve or be agnostic on any given world view, so the poll isn't a false choice fallacy.
You can argue that the thread title should specify outcomes, given that it's an unrealistic or unpopular definition of equality.
However, that just verifies what the OP set out to prove.
The idea that socio-economic inequality in America has a genetic cause was highly controversial when the Bell Curve was published in 1994.
25 years later, it now seems that a lot more people are willing to accept this as a fact of life. People are not as politically correct as they used to be.
Many laws have been passed since then to keep different groups of people segregated, imprisoned for crimes the majority group does not get equally penalized, denied credit and opportunities the majority group has enjoyed and have been able to advance in life simply because they belonged to the majority group.
The only reasons credit is denied: no/negative credit history and high-risk loan collateral. It has nothing to do with different groups of people if the groups are categorized by race/ethnicity.
The only reasons credit is denied: no/negative credit history and high-risk loan collateral. It has nothing to do with different groups of people if the groups are categorized by race/ethnicity.
Who writes those laws and qualifications? The racist majority group.
Many laws have been passed since then to keep different groups of people segregated, imprisoned for crimes the majority group does not get equally penalized, denied credit and opportunities the majority group has enjoyed and have been able to advance in life simply because they belonged to the majority group.
When group of people where discriminated in order to keep them economically disadvantage for 200 years we need laws that discriminate to provide those groups opportunities to advance in life as the majority groups have done. Until that advancement has happened we cannot talk about equality.
The average iq of US blacks is 75. That is close to disability level. Africans are even lower at around 65. The reason blacks are unsuccessful is because they are thousands of years behind white and Asians (due to breeding and environmental and cultural factors). No social program is going to catch them up. Evolution does not care about equality. The sooner we stop pretending in equality the better we all will be.
Who writes those laws and qualifications? The racist majority group.
You sound like you don't think some racial groups can competently pay their bills on time. Why not? That belief is in and of itself... racist.
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