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Old 09-29-2019, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I also find it offensive and reprehensible that you would label Libertarians as racist. Libertarians are the least racist people, we believe in the individual liberty of every American. I support the Equal Pay Act of 1963, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Violence Against Women's Act that became law in 1994.
While libertarians (and everyone else for that matter) should oppose the initiation of violence against anyone, government dictating how much an employer has to pay an employee (or conversely, forbidding an employee from accepting a wage below a specified amount, even if they are willing) is against the libertarian value of freedom of association, as is mandating that someone associate with, do business with, or hire someone they don't want to.

Otherwise, I liked and appreciated your defense and explanation of libertarianism.

 
Old 09-29-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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Well, then we agree on Liberalism being the right way.

"Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy and the rule of law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies and other barriers to trade, instead promoting free markets"

We do not agree on modern conservatism which is more about telling others how to be, authoritarianism, class and intolerance.
Liberalism as you quote it is classical liberalism. American liberals today are leftists, not liberals in the classical sense. American conservatives are the heirs of classical liberalism.
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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I will be honest: outside of looking them up on-line, Libertarians are the major political party that I don't quite understand!
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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After reading njforlife92's recent posts, I noticed that you'll sometimes see a libertarian rebuke Trump on this site until a Trump supporter immediately pounces on them by dubbing them socialists and Marxists without responding to any of their criticisms. And even if its valid, like Trump's continued corporate welfare, farm bailouts, record fiscal stimulus, and big government protectionist policies, it seems like the TS have no real desire to debate and would rather flee after labeling their libertarian opponent just another crazy liberal.

Are our libertarian friends really leftists like many Trump supporters claim, or do they throw such terms out as a way to shut down any opposing dialogue about Trump which isn't favorable?
Libertarian is just another word for republican.
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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“The libertarian aspect of the Republican Party is presently the only useful political voice really in the U.S. Congress. It will be the driver that shifts the United States around. It’s not going to come from the Democrats. And it’s not going to come from Ralph Nader. It’s not going to come from the co-opted [neocon] part of the Republican Party. The only hope as far as electoral politics are concerned in the United States presently is the Libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

Julian Assange, August, 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2zw7IFPn0g
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:06 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Liberalism as you quote it is classical liberalism. American liberals today are leftists, not liberals in the classical sense. American conservatives are the heirs of classical liberalism.
Conservatives are fine with "big religion", so im going to say no on that.
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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Conservatives are fine with "big religion", so im going to say no on that.
That has nothing to do with conservatism. A religious person can be a conservative or a liberal or anything in between.
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Public investment and infrastructure created the internet.
Actually, we don't mind when tax dollars are collected and spent on projects anyone can use. Such as roads, libraries, the mail, police and firefighters. We have a problem when we are forced to pay high taxes so only a specific portion of the populations can reek the benefits. For starters, I don't mind taxes going to pay for schools and teachers to teach kids, but I have a problem when all of a sudden I learn that there is a school board with 5 or more members and they are making $100,000 or more a year off of my hard earned tax dollars, for pretty much doing nothing but be an over paid adviser. I also have problems when my tax money is used to put some woman who can't keep her legs closed into a nice apartment in a nice part of town and be given food stamps to buy steaks and lobsters. And let's not forget the ever expanding government offices who like to give them selves $150,000 salaries with benefits, all on my dime, or giving their pals no bid defense contracts so they can use it to bomb and terrorize third worlds.
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:09 PM
 
Location: USA
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Libertarian is just another word for republican.
Pretty much. Libertarians are basically Republicans that happen to be ok with abortion and homosexuality. On economic issues, the two camps are perfectly aligned (pro business, anti labor, anti consumer, anti environment, anti social programs, etc).

The Republicans would essentially be a libertarian party if they renounced the Religious Right.

The Republicans won’t ever renounce the Religious Right, of course, because they are the “useful idiots” that generate the votes.
 
Old 09-29-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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Pretty much. Libertarians are basically Republicans that happen to be ok with abortion and less militaristic. On economic issues, the two camps are perfectly aligned (pro business, anti labor, anti consumer, and anti environment).
Or, as noted decades ago, Republicans that smoke dope and stay up until 2am in their college dorms debating how things should be.
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