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Old 11-17-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
If you have to shop for cheaper/unhealthier foods etc, then you ARE struggling.
No one with any intelligence whatsoever purposely places themselves into that position. Living beyond one's means yields exactly that result.

 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Your definition of socialism used to defend socialism as "not socialism"
Socialism = Government owned and operated means of production.
My definition is the correct one for socialism.

Feel free to disagree. I suspected you did not know the definition for it, and I was right.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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Why would you be against teaching personal finance in school?
Because it's common sense. No one taught me personal finance in school yet I nevertheless completely understand it.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I see we can just make up our own definitions for everything now.
Capitalism= a means of production, where the private capital owners seek to secure the whole market and create a monopoly in given markets. Therefore, destroying the thing the system ultimately says it likes to secure: competition.

See how that works.

Capitalist rules for revolution (ie. creating a feudalistic fiefdom)
1. Lift all business regulations and environment regulations. 2. corner the market and squeeze out your competitors. 3. Lower educational standards and work to underfund public education to keep the populace dumb, so that they can accept their lot in life 4. Lower the standards of living for the populace and have them accept increasing lower wages, just enough to buy your products, but low enough to secure a footing to possibly compete with you in the market place.

See how that works.
Some people tend to use words they do not understand.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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Who here is willing to give up real liberty, real self-determination, and perhaps even self-actualization, morally and financially, for a guaranteed subsistence and life-outcome regardless of peoples' efforts, innate talents or abilities?

Who would do that? People don't get to achieve all that they can because some other people won't expend the effort to achieve anything? Socialism makes you a slave to the lowest common denominator.

I read not too long ago a theory that some people have a mindset, a psyche, that is simply more comfortable in an authoritarian setting. This explains much. Some people just feel more comfortable having the illusion of freedom bolstered by the equivalent of government cheese in its various forms.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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Personal finance should definitely be taught in school. Some people live above their means and I as a liberal have no sympathy for them. However, a lifetime of working as a social worker and working with people with disabilities has shown me that you can do everything right and still end up bankrupt. I am 65 and everyone I knew was frugal and lived within their means. Now so many young people want the same material items that it took others a lifetime to afford. They aren’t willing to save and wait. My DIL said the same thing about her coming-workers that overspend and then constantly complain.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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No one with any intelligence whatsoever purposely places themselves into that position. Living beyond one's means yields exactly that result.
It is often not by choice. Read my earlier post again. You are going into the "loop of repetitions" again, and it becomes a waste of time to talk to you when you just repeat the same thing over and over.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Because it's common sense. No one taught me personal finance in school yet I nevertheless completely understand it.
So why exactly are you against other than the fact is you view it as common sense and that you didn't need to be taught it to figure it out. Should we base all of our policies off of your personal experiences?

If it is common sense then the sense would be common, wouldn't it? That is just common sense man.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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My definition is the correct one for socialism.

Feel free to disagree. I suspected you did not know the definition for it, and I was right.
It turns out that you are right about very little and that's how you are going to go through life, with the self-assurance and incuriousness of the indoctrinated.
 
Old 11-17-2019, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Originally Posted by ncguy50 View Post
Who here is willing to give up real liberty, real self-determination, and perhaps even self-actualization, morally and financially, for a guaranteed subsistence and life-outcome regardless of peoples' efforts, innate talents or abilities?

Who would do that? People don't get to achieve all that they can because some other people won't expend the effort to achieve anything? Socialism makes you a slave to the lowest common denominator.

I read not too long ago a theory that some people have a mindset, a psyche, that is simply more comfortable in an authoritarian setting. This explains much. Some people just feel more comfortable having the illusion of freedom bolstered by the equivalent of government cheese in its various forms.
So what form of authority do you subscribe to. You subscribe to an authority whether you see it or not. I don't think you know what comes from your ideal system when taken to it's logical conclusion.
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