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There are limits to everything. Kiddie porn is the most debased form of “free speech” and the purveyors and users of this are closet pedophiles and need to be put down like rabid animals.
I would also say rape videos and the alleged snuff film practices are also up there in terms of vileness!
We have a few members on here who insist that the free market can replace government regulations completely.
Well, OP, it appears that every every normal person who responds, disagrees with your statement that you've heard "a few members on here" who believe the "free market" can replace govt regulations entirely.
Looks like it's time for you to go back to the people you claim you heard, invite them to join this thread, and discuss your question with them directly.
You did hear them say that, right?
Shouldn't be hard to use the Search function to find posts with their words in them.
Let us know when you reach them, OK? And show us what they replied to you.
It would be a good way, if nothing else, to demonstrate you didn't just make them up out of thin air in an attempt to lie about small-govt advocates. Right?
The ironic part of this sentiment is that the truly free market (not the socialist utopia Dems and Repubs glorify) is the only moral setting in which two parties can interact without the threat of violence from an involuntary 3rd party.
I've said this before, your philosophy would be better served by reading some books on human psychology instead of theories on the fantasy land of political pseudo science.
I've said this before, your philosophy would be better served by reading some books on human psychology instead of theories on the fantasy land of political pseudo science.
So your solution to two parties prone to violence and greed is to add a third party equally prone to violence and greed?
We have corporate run jails. Isn't that free market enough?
I don't think the free market can supersede the will of the people. Particularly in the case of child porn, which pretty much everyone agrees has no place in our society. The free market does not dictate social norms. Nor should it. I would expect citizens to use what powers they have to eliminate any push to allow for the sale of child porn.
Well, I certainly agree that child porn is horrible and I have no interest in it...BUT, there is obviously a large percentage of people out there that think otherwise, there is a HUGE demand for this stuff, ranging from digital images all the way up to child sex slaves, (why do you think these 'rings' exist)...its simple, they are supplying a demand, there is money to be made from it.
As long as there is such a HUGE demand for this stuff, it will never go away.
The free market isn't capable of eradicating evil, nor does it pretend to be able to.
The coercive, involuntary state is similarly incapable of eradicating evil, but...unlike the logically consistent and intellectually honest free market world of individuals, it actually claims that it can, with a slow application of low level evil (implied threats, coercion, force and violence) as a countermeasure.
Tell me, oh champions and zealots of the almighty state - have all your rules, regulations and controls rid the world of child porn? I never claimed a free market could, but your argument against a free market is that it cannot, which means the thing you prefer over the free market CAN. Has it? Has Leviathan rid you of all the world's evils yet?
You have surrendered life, liberty and property to Leviathan (involuntarily, but I'll use the words you folks like to use for being born as slaves), and has it gotten you the 100% elimination of all that is bad in human nature? Seems to me you gladly accept Leviathan's higher claim on your own life than you possess yourself because their "justice" system gives you a outsourced agency who can exact revenge on your behalf when human nature goes rogue.
Is that systematic vengeance worth being a quasi-slave? Apparently, 99.5% of you believe so, and do so quite zealously.
Only the most extreme libertarians would say that the free market can replace all gov't regulations.
Those of us who believe in small gov't believe that one of the very few roles of gov't is to protect those incapable of entering in or understanding the consequences of engaging in such activities as porn. Therefore children would need to be protected by laws prohibiting child porn.
Adults engaging in making porn is made by consenting adults that understand and accept the full consequences of their actions. A child cannot, so this type of gov't regulation is necessary.
I would include prohibiting abortion since unborn babies are not capable of protecting themselves as another example where gov't regulation is necessary.
Unborn babies are not capable of even breathing or sustaining their own life until a certain time period. They also endanger a woman's life. Why do you believe that a woman's safety is trumped by an unborn fetus that cannot exist without her and has the potential to cause her bodily harm, illness, or death.
In your view, when does a person become a person with rights? At birth, conception, or somewhere in the middle. And why does the rights of the unborn fetus trump the rights of the woman who may be harmed from carrying said fetus to term. Why can she not protect herself from the fetus?
We have corporate run jails. Isn't that free market enough?
I don't think the free market can supersede the will of the people. Particularly in the case of child porn, which pretty much everyone agrees has no place in our society. The free market does not dictate social norms. Nor should it. I would expect citizens to use what powers they have to eliminate any push to allow for the sale of child porn.
On the bold, free markets actually do dictate social norms as what is traded is the "norm" of said society.
If a society values being able to view child porn, then that society will consume it via the markets.
Markets and social history/sociology are intertwined and are based upon each other.
There are certain segments of our population who do value child porn, which is why it continues to exist like other so-called "evils."
IMO that is why an anarcho sort of libertarian philosophy is ridiculous to consider. It ignores the fact that people are not all good and that all people are capable of evil. Contracts don't prevent anyone from doing evil deeds. Values don't prevent people from stealing children and forcing them to be enslaved for a porn industry. Regulation drives this sort of market underground and limits access to it. This is not perfect and I agree with others that laws alone will not cure social ills/evil, but neither will free markets. Humans are not going to 100% comply with free market contracts/commercial enterprises just like they are not going to 100% comply with government regulations.
And the human propensity to violence and greed would end under a libertarian system with no controls?
Now THAT is an interesting idea.
I am all for proportional representation which would solve many problems.
No, of course it wouldn't, are you an idiot? Why do people always present an idea that has nothing to do with what I've said and expect me to explain to them how that idea would happen.
But it would establish a balance of power, that is eliminated by adding a third party, because which party does that third party side with? The one that pays them the most. So you always have two on one, and the one has less financial muscle in the first instance (or they'd be in the two).
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Why can she not protect herself from the fetus?
