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Old 05-03-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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I am just wondering...

Anybody got any "links" and/or excerpts to share from the same which go against todays notion of "accepted" history? Better known as "politically correct"

Might be good and informative reading!

Here is one: Jonah Goldberg

An excerpt:

The infamous Tuskegee experiment is the Medusa's head of black left-wing paranoia. Whenever someone laments the fact that anywhere from 10 percent to 33 percent of African-Americans believe the U.S. government invented AIDS to kill blacks, someone will say, "That's not so crazy when you consider what happened at Tuskegee."

But it is crazy. And it's dishonest.
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Old 05-03-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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Thanks for the information. I always wondered exactly what happened. We had a VD hospital in our area (this was before antibiotics) where white men were sent. It was mostly custodial care as there just wasn't any treatment available.
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:54 AM
 
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A Jew of all people should have more understanding and be less apologetic about human experimentation. Yes, the people in Tuskegee were not given syphilis, but they might as well have been. The experiment was more about abstract scientific curiosity than helping patients or finding a cure, and there was no consent or debriefing at all, the black men were treated as non-humans, animals to be studied. And that went on for decades. Even after drugs were found to treat syphilis, nothing was done to at least test a part of the Tuskegee cohort for drug efficacy.
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:55 AM
 
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I agree that no one was injected, however, the article does fail to point out that the men volunteered to be part of the study because they were told they were going to receive treatment, which was a lie. As with all things, the complete story is gray and not black and white.
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Old 05-03-2008, 12:57 PM
 
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I wish more would read the wisdom and truths of this man. Thomas Sowell. A black conservative shunned because he speaks the truth.

Alex Haley's "Roots": Fact or Fiction? by Thomas Sowell -- Capitalism Magazine

"Roots" also feeds the gross misconception that slavery was about white people enslaving black people. The tragedy of slavery was of a far greater magnitude than that. People of every race and color were both slaves and enslavers, for thousands of years, all around the world. Europeans enslaved other Europeans for centuries before the first African was brought across the Atlantic. Asians enslaved other Asians, as well as whatever Europeans they could get hold of. Slavery existed in the Western Hemisphere before Columbus ever got here.
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Old 05-03-2008, 01:35 PM
 
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Black slave in America were treated systematically worse than the slavery Thomas Sowell alludes to.
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Old 05-03-2008, 01:46 PM
 
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If you look at the TB victims during the epidemic;you will see that peole wre treated almost the same. I remeber when I was a child the terror people thought of Polio epidemic.Aids is really quite different in that it is know what transmitts the disease.There are alkinds of novels that really lack historical accurate facts.That'[s the difference between hstory and fiction based books based on history.
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Old 05-03-2008, 02:16 PM
 
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Default What Bit the Dust?

I wouldn't say that Jonah had refuted the contentions of Rev. Wright. The fact that black folks were used as lab rats (contrary to the Hippocratic oath) does not kill an allegation stating "Look what happened in Tuskegee!"

Further, the government is on record as using soldiers in experiments where they were exposed to radiation and using LSD to see what effect it had on soldiers, the most notorious experiment having to do with a black man.

"James R. Thornwell, 46 years old, the unknowing subject of an Army LSD experiment who received $625,000 from Congress after filing a lawsuit, died of an apparent seizure while swimming, according to his wife, Rose. ...
While serving as a communications clerk for the Army in France in the early 1960's, Mr. Thornwell was given LSD without his knowledge by an Army intelligence team in an interrogation. He is believed to be the only soldier ever to undergo LSD questioning. ..

Mr. Thornwell contended he had suffered severe psychiatric disorders and physical pain, and was unable to hold a job because of the LSD incident. "


James R. Thornwell, 46, Dies; Sued Army Over Test of LSD - New York Times


“For forty years, from 1932 to 1972, 399 African-American males were denied treatment for syphilis and deceived by officials of the United States Public Health Service. As part of a study conducted in Macon County, Alabama, poor sharecroppers were told they were being treated for “bad blood.”In fact, the physicians in charge of the study ensured that these men went untreated. In the 25 years since its details first were revealed, the Tuskegee Syphilis study has become a powerful symbol of racism in medicine, ethical misconduct in human research, and goverment abuse of the vulnerable. “

UVa Claude Moore Health Sciences Library
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Old 05-03-2008, 02:42 PM
 
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Black slave in America were treated systematically worse than the slavery Thomas Sowell alludes to.
No, they weren't. What is your evidence otherwise?

Put in the perspective of the existence of slavery in world history, slavery was "mildest" in the western world. For one thing, it would make no sense economically to treat slaves cruelly. And yes, Christianity "tempered" the harsher aspects of it.

The WORST slavery, in terms of abuse, was in the African nations or in South American...where it was common to work them to death.
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Old 05-03-2008, 03:28 PM
 
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I don't know if you are familiar with slaves working rice in America. However, a competition about which slavery was the 'worse' is unproductive and beside the point.
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