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Here is my take on this. I do agree that racism is bad, and its a malaise in our society, sadly racism has been at cornerstone of human civilization. And to expunge racism is extremely difficult. I understand in the English speaking nations and protestant thought, their is an urge to eliminate racism to the pits of hell. But if you want to eliminate racism. I have a bridge to sell you.
Another thing is that we in a society live in an age of moral panic. This the 3rd major moral panic our society has had in the past 60 years. The other being Communism or Red Scare in then 1950s-1970s, while the other being the satanic panic from the 1970s to the 1990s. Now we live in this current moral panic, the anti-racism moral panic. You have people that sit around scan for racism on a constant basis. This would be your white liberal, journalist, some one engaging in radical ideas of black thought and your academics. I also find it funny that the media was able to jump from black and native American racism and now towards Asian Americans even though the media lambasted Asian Americans for being model minority and engaging and upholding White Supremacy? And how intuitions like Harvard and Yale limit Asian enrollment in their institutions, and NYCDOE eliminating gifted school programs which benefited smart but poor Asian students.
The media and academia want to label black Asian attackers as racist white supremacists. Since blacks cant be racists according to the academic left, however a black person can be racists if he or she believes in the ideology of white supremacy. I think the media and academia is looking to find white supremacists and they can not find any. So now they have to label black brutes as white supremacists. It looks like this woke anti racism thing is starting to eat itself alive. I hope this moral panic ends soon. ANd I Say this as a person of color myself.
Well now you have a neo-Marxist cult to think about. They combine together to form Cultron, defender of the Antiverse!
Are you refuting what I said? Or just nit-picking?
If Hitler wasn't blatantly, if not violently opposed to immigration, people would have been immigrating to Germany for the same reason they come here. Money. That's what it is all about. No one would be coming here if we weren't rich.
The issue is that there aren't many examples of rich dictatorships. But of the examples there are, none of them consider diversity a strength. Only in democracies do "the people" blindly accept whatever their government shoves down their throats.
But that is a catch 22. Only a rich country has something to lose by flooding itself with poor immigrants.
A poor country that offers no services, and has no jobs to dilute, has little to lose. But, poor immigrants have no desire to go to other poor countries. I don't know that dictators of poor countries are against immigration. They may see it as more people to have power over. But I think we are getting side tracked from the point of my post.
And, while I would agree that diversity in and of itself, is not a strength, I would argue that in Germany's case, diversity was a strength, but only because their largest minority was an industrious people. And that, ironically, was what lead to their peril. They were an easy target to be scapegoated for the problems of poor Germans. As if those poor Germans would suddenly be doctors, scientists, engineers, and bankers, if only the Jews weren't taking those jobs. So just like diversity in and of itself is not a strength, anti diversity in and of itself is not a strength either.
Dem socialists need to grow more white supremacists, wasn't enough to make them a believable 'enemy of the state'. Eric holder had declared domestic terrorists were our greatest threat back in obama days.
As the left does and so successfully, with the help of the media, they make things larger or smaller to support their political agenda.
Call for the murder of cops and the left embraces you.
Now, with a dash of miracle grow, the left and media propaganda machine has turned anyone who supported/supports Trump as white supremacist.
Companion to that is being racist, like splicing the branches of two varieties of apples, you get 2 from the same tree.
Watch how the legal term hate crime evolves under the socialist controlled country led by sanders and friends, using biden as a figurehead and harris as screen saver.
Hate crimes will now increase as they become weaponized. Give some guy the finger on the highway.....! hate crime! you were charged with a hate crime, you can't keep or buy a gun!
.....and the corporations are have become collaborators and in essence, the vichy, as seen during WW2 in France.
And, while I would agree that diversity in and of itself, is not a strength, I would argue that in Germany's case, diversity was a strength, but only because their largest minority was an industrious people. And that, ironically, was what lead to their peril. They were an easy target to be scapegoated for the problems of poor Germans. As if those poor Germans would suddenly be doctors, scientists, engineers, and bankers, if only the Jews weren't taking those jobs. So just like diversity in and of itself is not a strength, anti diversity in and of itself is not a strength either.
You do realize that anti-semitism wasn't simply a German phenomenon? Henry Ford's newspaper released a series of articles entitled "The International Jew: The World's Problem".
Nothing Hitler said about the Jews was new at all. There have been 109 countries who have kicked the Jews out, and for the same reason every single time.
Martin Luther and Hitler are basically the same person. Martin Luther even wanted to burn down Jewish schools and synagogues.
With that said, Germany wasn't going to win WWII even if he hadn't kicked the Jews out. The point I was trying to make is, Germany was the richest country per-capita in the world in the 1930's, with virtually no crime. If the German government wasn't opposed to immigration, they would have been flooded. Which is what happens in every country that is rich and safe.
There has never been a dictatorship that was pro-immigration. But virtually all democracies are pro-immigration. The democracies that aren't are more-or-less authoritarian. Which is the only way you can enforce such policies.
1) Do you think this is the best time in history to be alive?
Yes, did you not notice the black president we had for 8 years? What other developed country had a black head of state? I'll wait.
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Do you think the future will be better? Do conservatives complain incessantly about what happened to "their country"?
Do you think Africa would be better? Do liberals complain incessantly about the "legacy of slavery?"
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2) I would rather be American than anything else, but America is still garbage, and getting worse by the day.
Garbage is subjective, as is worse. You still won the lottery. Plenty of lottery winners are miserable, and deserve zero sympathy.
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3) Depends on the time-frame. It was probably pretty nice in South Africa before European contact, and before the Bantu expansion. Maybe Western Ethiopia/Kenya at higher elevations before the Muslim slave-trade. Or pretty much anywhere along the Nile river prior to its consolidation into various empires.
None of those countries have ever been ranked higher than America for quality of life and social mobility.
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4) I never claimed the world owed me anything. But what is the social ladder? And how do you climb it?
Ask Asian Americans and African immigrnats, they value education and not whining.
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5) You talking about me specifically? Do you think everyone can go from the bottom to the top merely by hard work?
You do realize that anti-semitism wasn't simply a German phenomenon? Henry Ford's newspaper released a series of articles entitled "The International Jew: The World's Problem".
Nothing Hitler said about the Jews was new at all. There have been 109 countries who have kicked the Jews out, and for the same reason every single time.
Martin Luther and Hitler are basically the same person. Martin Luther even wanted to burn down Jewish schools and synagogues.
With that said, Germany wasn't going to win WWII even if he hadn't kicked the Jews out. The point I was trying to make is, Germany was the richest country per-capita in the world in the 1930's, with virtually no crime. If the German government wasn't opposed to immigration, they would have been flooded. Which is what happens in every country that is rich and safe.
There has never been a dictatorship that was pro-immigration. But virtually all democracies are pro-immigration. The democracies that aren't are more-or-less authoritarian. Which is the only way you can enforce such policies.
I am well aware of the history of antisemitism, beyond Hitler. Henry ford, beyond his antisemitic publication here in the US even collaborated with Hitler, and helped fund Hitler's war effort against his own country. In other words, he was a traitor to the US.
I am having trouble figuring out your point in bringing up other antisemitic historic figures. Is that supposed to justify Hitler's deeds? Keeping in mind that you were the one who brought Hitler into this conversation in the first place.
1) Yes, did you not notice the black president we had for 8 years? What other developed country had a black head of state?
2) Do you think Africa would be better? Do liberals complain incessantly about the "legacy of slavery?"
3) Garbage is subjective, as is worse. You still won the lottery. Plenty of lottery winners are miserable, and deserve zero sympathy.
4) None of those countries have ever been ranked higher than America for quality of life and social mobility.
5) Ask Asian Americans and African immigrnats, they value education and not whining.
6) Yes, people do it everyday.
1) Obama being president makes this the best time in history? Why?
2) What do you mean by better? And yes liberals complain. Why shouldn't they?
3) Who was born in a better time, baby boomers or millennials?
4) I didn't simply specify a country, I also specified a time. In the case of the Nile, it would have been around 5,000 to 10,000 years ago. Quality-of-life is higher today than pretty much any time in our history, yet people are more unhappy today than pretty much any time in our history.
5) People who immigrate come here for one reason, money. Do you honestly believe immigrants never complain?
6) Even people who are mentally retarded or disabled? There are obviously limitations to success, depending on numerous factors. And much of success is pure luck.
I agree that the vast majority of people do not have to be poor, but the climb out is much harder if not impossible for some people. But even if was possible for everyone, that doesn't address the fundamental problem. There are always going to be people at the bottom. Why are we so obsessed with money? And why hasn't money made us happy?
1) Obama being president makes this the best time in history? Why?
2) What do you mean by better? And yes liberals complain. Why shouldn't they?
3) Who was born in a better time, baby boomers or millennials?
4) I didn't simply specify a country, I also specified a time. In the case of the Nile, it would have been around 5,000 to 10,000 years ago. Quality-of-life is higher today than pretty much any time in our history, yet people are more unhappy today than pretty much any time in our history.
5) People who immigrate come here for one reason, money. Do you honestly believe immigrants never complain?
6) Even people who are mentally retarded or disabled? There are obviously limitations to success, depending on numerous factors. And much of success is pure luck.
I agree that the vast majority of people do not have to be poor, but the climb out is much harder if not impossible for some people. But even if was possible for everyone, that doesn't address the fundamental problem. There are always going to be people at the bottom. Why are we so obsessed with money? And why hasn't money made us happy?
Now you're just trolling.
The world doesn't owe you anything. If you hate America so much, LEAVE!
I am well aware of the history of antisemitism, beyond Hitler. Henry ford, beyond his antisemitic publication here in the US even collaborated with Hitler, and helped fund Hitler's war effort against his own country. In other words, he was a traitor to the US.
I am having trouble figuring out your point in bringing up other antisemitic historic figures. Is that supposed to justify Hitler's deeds? Keeping in mind that you were the one who brought Hitler into this conversation in the first place.
Dictators are generally interested in stability, because their rule is more precarious, being that they are generally not seen as legitimate. Authoritarian governments are usually in a constant state of putting down rebellions. Which is why they tend to restrict freedom of speech/press.
Democracies are generally more stable, and being that they were put in place ostensibly by "the people". It is much harder to resist a democratic government. Thus rebellion to democracy is almost unheard of.
I mentioned Hitler because Nazi Germany is pretty much the only comparatively wealthy dictatorship in history. And since people immigrate for economic reasons, it seems logical to conclude that if Nazi Germany hadn't been so opposed to immigration, a lot of people would have wanted to immigrate there. Whereas it is hard to imagine anyone wanting to immigrate into Pol Pot's Cambodia.
Even though North Korea is pretty poor. There are probably a lot of people who might want to immigrate there. Not for jobs, but for business. And probably sex tourist types who have an Asian fetish. If North Korea was poor but wasn't an authoritarian state, it would turn into a Chinese brothel. Kind of like Eastern Europe after the fall of communism.
The world doesn't owe you anything. If you hate America so much, LEAVE!
Oh is this your country? Is this your land? How did this country become a country?
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