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Eventhough I have some American ancestry, I am not an American citizen. I wouldn't be proud if I were, especially in today's world. I would rather be Dutch or Swedish.
Im proud of the principles,but not of the policies America sometimes impliments it direct opposite of those principles so I voted "I try"
I also think that the attitude I see from some of "F the world,we are America" is wrong.The way things are going America may wind up the catcher instead of the pitcher from some.
As if there were no drugs in America before Bush! Anyone who thinks the Democrats are going to be any better is out of the loop. They took Congress in 2006 with a promise to end the war and bring down gas prices. Well things have gone way downhill (or for gas, uphill) even in that year and a half since Nov 2006. Congress' approval ratings are even lower than Bush's ratings, which are pretty pathetic themselves. Democrats will not end the war, will not fix health care or do anything else they promise. Both parties are working against you and they're both laughing at the general public with their left vs. right rheteric. Globalisation is their goal. America is NOT their priority.
I mentioned the drug issue in the context of the title of the thread, 'Are You proud to be an American?'
You are correct, both parties stink, but Obama is young and idealistic and I think he will try to do the best for the American people, given the contraints. I do not think he is as much in the pocket of mega corporations as the other candidates. I will vote for him.
If it were McBush vs. another Democrat, I would probably vote Green Party or some other third party, but I think this guy may actually believe what he is saying.
We are both cynics, but I fear being so cynical that when a good thing comes by I will not recognize it.
No, I am not proud to be an American. My nation disgusts me. America is a nation of directionless, immoral, greedy hedonists. I'm sick of the filth spewing out of Hollywood. Sex and violence and yes, even drugs still rule America. Sex sells everything. Pornography is rampant. Crime is out of control. Everybody talks about the casualties in Iraq. Nobody mentions that almost 35,000 homicides have occured on our streets since the start of the war. That's ten times the death toll in Iraq. Nobody wants to take responsibility for themselves. They all want to blame someone else for their shortcomings and then expect the government to fix every single thing, even things the government has no business fixing. Ignorance on both sides of the aisle is beyond belief. And people look to Obama, of all people, to fix this BS. America is going down and maybe it should.
This is the opposite of all the folks who say 'America, love it or leave it', and start the 'USA!' chant. I don't agree with either viewpoint.
You say "America is a nation of directionless, immoral, greedy hedonists", well, I'M NOT, and since I am part of America, you are wrong.
While both parties have faults, the president sets the tone, and Bush/Cheney set the tone by pressing for an attack on Iraq, and cowering anyone who disagreed with him.
The main problem comes when we start unnecessary wars. That causes millions of casualties, physical destruction and empties the coffers. If the money was redirected towards positive projects, like rebuilding the infrastructure, it would spin off positive side effects, like increased spending by people who can afford to buy and keep a home. Pouring trillions into negative projects, like attacking Iraq, hurts us on a profound spiritual level, as well as not genreating any positive side effects - the negativity generated by this war, on a global level, is immense.
I mentioned the drug issue in the context of the title of the thread, 'Are You proud to be an American?'
You are correct, both parties stink, but Obama is young and idealistic and I think he will try to do the best for the American people, given the contraints. I do not think he is as much in the pocket of mega corporations as the other candidates. I will vote for him.
If it were McBush vs. another Democrat, I would probably vote Green Party or some other third party, but I think this guy may actually believe what he is saying.
We are both cynics, but I fear being so cynical that when a good thing comes by I will not recognize it.
Obama is hand picked by the elites pulling the strings. There's no other way to explain his rise. You just don't rise that fast in our political system the way it's set up. The guy has two years experience in the Senate and no legislative accomplishments to speak of. Thats it. That's our next president. In some sick way, I hope he wins just so I can watch him take the country further down the rabbit hole. And I have no doubt that he will do just that.
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This is the opposite of all the folks who say 'America, love it or leave it', and start the 'USA!' chant. I don't agree with either viewpoint.
You say "America is a nation of directionless, immoral, greedy hedonists", well, I'M NOT, and since I am part of America, you are wrong.
While both parties have faults, the president sets the tone, and Bush/Cheney set the tone by pressing for an attack on Iraq, and cowering anyone who disagreed with him.
The main problem comes when we start unnecessary wars. That causes millions of casualties, physical destruction and empties the coffers. If the money was redirected towards positive projects, like rebuilding the infrastructure, it would spin off positive side effects, like increased spending by people who can afford to buy and keep a home. Pouring trillions into negative projects, like attacking Iraq, hurts us on a profound spiritual level, as well as not genreating any positive side effects - the negativity generated by this war, on a global level, is immense.
You're going off in a direction away from my point. If I gave you the impression that I support what's going on in Iraq, I don't at all. The fact is, America had problems before Iraq and 9-11 and frankly I'm getting a little tired of Iraq being a scapegoat, especially when past presidents insisted that Saddam Hussein be removed.
You're going off in a direction away from my point. If I gave you the impression that I support what's going on in Iraq, I don't at all. The fact is, America had problems before Iraq and 9-11 and frankly I'm getting a little tired of Iraq being a scapegoat, especially when past presidents insisted that Saddam Hussein be removed.
No other president 'insisted' that Saddam be removed. Clinton pursued a policy of 'containment' which worked. Saddam was a threat to nobody, in fact, anytime a plane moved, it was shot down.
Bush I also saw the folly of removing Saddam because of what would necessarily follow. Too bad junior couldn't follow his father's lead.
I adored the elder Mr. Bush for that magnificent 30-nation coalition he built for the Persian Gulf War. For many years thereafter, he says he was repeatedly asked why he didn't finish the job and take that magnificent army to Baghdad and get rid of Saddam in 1991. The elder Mr. Bush went on to say that for several years now no one has asked him that question. . . .
Strong father, weak son. Seen it soooo many times.
To get back on topic, I'm not terribly proud of the USA these days, for many reasons, such as: Iraq War and all its bungling, idiotic president, torture, greed, crime, lousy schools, way too many stupid/ignorant people, rampant religious zealotry and meddling in politics and government, oil crisis, credit crisis, debased dollar, Katrina, housing bubble, crumbling infrastructure and falling bridges, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, lack of health care, tainted meat, dirty food, too much reporting on moronic drug-soaked hollywood losers. Need I go on? I won't travel abroad for the embarassment of having to look others in the eye and tell them I'm an American, knowing that back home in the states a bunch of Floyd R Turbo types who've never been abroad are waving guns and shouting how great we are compared to everyone else.
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