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"Our investigation revealed that, for many years, a few senior EC leaders, along with outside counsel, largely controlled the EC’s response to these reports of abuse. They closely guarded information about abuse allegations and lawsuits, which were not shared with EC Trustees, and were singularly focused on avoiding liability for the SBC to the exclusion of other considerations. In service of this goal, survivors and others who reported abuse were ignored, disbelieved, or met with the constant refrain that the SBC could take no action due to its polity regarding church autonomy – even if it meant that convicted molesters continued in ministry with no notice or warning to their current church or congregation."
Wow. Why aren't these things reported, by the victims themselves or the church leadership, directly to the authorities? Has any church demonstrated an ability to control such things internally?
"Our investigation revealed that, for many years, a few senior EC leaders, along with outside counsel, largely controlled the EC’s response to these reports of abuse. They closely guarded information about abuse allegations and lawsuits, which were not shared with EC Trustees, and were singularly focused on avoiding liability for the SBC to the exclusion of other considerations. In service of this goal, survivors and others who reported abuse were ignored, disbelieved, or met with the constant refrain that the SBC could take no action due to its polity regarding church autonomy – even if it meant that convicted molesters continued in ministry with no notice or warning to their current church or congregation."
Wow. Why aren't these things reported, by the victims themselves or the church leadership, directly to the authorities? Has any church demonstrated an ability to control such things internally?
Historically, its never gone well when the secular authorities get involved in church matters. No different today.
There is too much potential for conflicts of interest.
This was a HUGE problem when the Catholic priest sex scandal broke too, a whole bunch of the reporters and police involved in the investigation allowed their personal opinions on the church/religion to get in the way. it greatly influenced the investigative work they did...
Example, in the movie made about this, a couple of the Boston reporters had a hatred of the church, (which apparently formed in their childhood), this had a great impact on how they went about the investigation.
Its virtually impossible keep personal opinions out of such an investigation.
What conflict of interest is there exactly? Is sexual abuse not a crime if it involves clergy?
Did you watch the movie about the Boston newspaper reporters that investigated the Catholic church scandal?
A couple of those reporters allowed their own personal feelings about the church influence the investigation, likewise, a police officer, detective would be susceptible to the same thing. It would be impossible to remain impartial, personal beliefs and opinions would factor in. No way to avoid such a thing.
Did you watch the movie about the Boston newspaper reporters that investigated the Catholic church scandal?
A couple of those reporters allowed their own personal feelings about the church influence the investigation, likewise, a police officer, detective would be susceptible to the same thing. It would be impossible to remain impartial, personal beliefs and opinions would factor in. No way to avoid such a thing.
How does that not apply to every type of person? There's some bias out there against pretty much everything.
Do you get to choose the police officer that arrests you and get a chance to screen them for any bias against any attribute of yours?
Either there is evidence there for an arrest and conviction or there isn't.
Historically, its never gone well when the secular authorities get involved in church matters. No different today.
There is too much potential for conflicts of interest.
This was a HUGE problem when the Catholic priest sex scandal broke too, a whole bunch of the reporters and police involved in the investigation allowed their personal opinions on the church/religion to get in the way. it greatly influenced the investigative work they did...
Example, in the movie made about this, a couple of the Boston reporters had a hatred of the church, (which apparently formed in their childhood), this had a great impact on how they went about the investigation.
Its virtually impossible keep personal opinions out of such an investigation.
The largest issue in the case of the Boston and the Catholic Diocese was the manner in which the church and it's parishioners refused to believe the complaints. They refused to take action internally and bring this to the attention of authorities, I'm not buying you're opinion bias of the investigators and reporters. The problem lies with the leadership of the church, stop making excuses and painting them as victims. They protected these abusers in premeditated moves moving them around to the next victims all to save the name of the church.
The movie Spotlight was an excellent portrayal of the abuse but it didn't capture the hundreds of articles by reporters from the Boston Globe and the stonewalling by the Catholic Church.
But here we are again almost 20 years later and yet another case of disregard for victims of sex abuse by a religious institution.
The largest issue in the case of the Boston and the Catholic Diocese was the manner in which the church and it's parishioners refused to believe the complaints. They refused to take action internally and bring this to the attention of authorities, I'm not buying you're opinion bias of the investigators and reporters. The problem lies with the leadership of the church, stop making excuses and painting them as victims. They protected these abusers in premeditated moves moving them around to the next victims all to save the name of the church.
The movie Spotlight was an excellent portrayal of the abuse but it didn't capture the hundreds of articles by reporters from the Boston Globe and the stonewalling by the Catholic Church.
But here we are again almost 20 years later and yet another case of disregard for victims of sex abuse by a religious institution.
and 6 hrs after posting the many rightwingers are ignoring this post yet again,soooooooo predictable lol
IMO there is rampant sexual abuse in many families of the "devoutly" religious, but always in that other family...thats why they obsess with the conspiracy sexual predators
Apparently one of the rapey reverend's got in front of his congregation to say he was stepping down due to "adultery". Church members were largely sympathetic until a woman grabbed a mic at the pulpit, stated that she was the victim and that it started when she was 14 years old. The air came out of the room and after the woman sat down the priest was asked to answer some additional questions based on her testimony.
The first question asked was did this happen when the victim was 14 years old? "No, that's a lie", the priest said. "I believe she was 16 at the time..."
and 6 hrs after posting the many rightwingers are ignoring this post yet again,soooooooo predictable lol
IMO there is rampant sexual abuse in many families of the "devoutly" religious, but always in that other family...thats why they obsess with the conspiracy sexual predators
They're too busy worrying about groomers in schools to be concern about groomers in churches.
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