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The mental health system is very broken. It's also a very complicated problem. In many cases it's too light on actual help and too heavy on meds to try and control thoughts and behavior. There also is a generic checklist hierarchy of interventions that need to take place that often is dictated by the insurance companies. Many needing help get frustrated and discouraged in the process and end up giving up. There's also the reality of many not having insurance, not being able to afford the meds, and not having any personal support system.
For kids school counselors and support staff are often the first contacts for the children having trouble. The number of children needing mental health assistance is significant. Due to the sheer volume, as well as economics, too often this responsibility falls on schools to provide programs and counseling to address the needs of the students. Unfortunately, most are not licensed professionals and lack the proper training and background to properly diagnose and develop an appropriate treatment plan for the child.
So true. There needs to be a plan in place. Psychologists need to be available to kids in school. I even had a first grader here in CT who was so messed up by her parents' divorce that she was physically violent with teachers and even the strong male gym teacher refused to have her in his class. But nothing was done because there was no school psychologist, let alone one who would deal with a first grader (who really should have been in third grade.) As a teacher, I was not able to deal with her psychological problems and anyway I was supposed to be teaching 27 other kids. We need to get to the root of this, the mental issues that are not dealt with.
My high school kid comes home and says "I was talking to Bob today and he says he wants to shoot people in school'. What happens next?
We go to the school and say Bob said he is going to shoot up the school. School calls in Bob's parents and they A) do nothing, B) have in put in a 3 day psych eval and say Bob is very smart and he convinces the psych ward he is ok and gets released to his parents. What next?
Or some homeless guy gets a gun and goes and shoots people in a mall because he's schizophrenic. The police have had several encounters with him but he keeps getting put back out the streets after each arrest. He has no friends or family so there is no one making sure he takes his meds.
We no longer commit people who have mental health issues. Who is going to be the person in the system who makes sure people get the care they are needing? No one. No one is going to. This is why shootings won't stop.
If that’s true why does this only happen here, other countries don’t have mental health issues just us.
Report and call the police if you think it is a very legitimate case.
You definitely run the risk of being called a Racist — the FBI ignores Reese warnings, just like they did at the Parkland School shooting.
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl
This thread is NOT about gun control. It's about mental health.
NO … it’s ALWAYS about Gun Control , it’s a lot more comfortable to say Guns walk down the streets looking for people to Kill than it is to address the Mental Health issues.
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Originally Posted by Williepaws
very true. but the neighbors and the community know theres a problem. sometimes the schools know too and nothing is done by anyone. They all shrug their shoulders and say we cant force mental health care on anyone. And society refuses to pay for it so innocent people suffer.
They CERTAINLY knew in Sandy Hook about the mental issues of the Killer.
We don’t know yet about the Uvalde Killings. I may be the only person here who has ever been to the small town of Uvalde. If this horror can happen there …. It can happen anywhere, at any time.
Somebody KNEW, they said nothing. 18 kids dead. May god rest their souls and the souls of their loved ones.
It’s an unspeakable horror and yet the random Killers are among us everywhere.
So true. There needs to be a plan in place. Psychologists need to be available to kids in school. I even had a first grader here in CT who was so messed up by her parents' divorce that she was physically violent with teachers and even the strong male gym teacher refused to have her in his class. But nothing was done because there was no school psychologist, let alone one who would deal with a first grader (who really should have been in third grade.) As a teacher, I was not able to deal with her psychological problems and anyway I was supposed to be teaching 27 other kids. We need to get to the root of this, the mental issues that are not dealt with.
Sadly psychologists and social workers are often cut because schools need other funding.
The mass shootings won't stop because it's very, very easy for these crazy people to get a gun.
It really is that simple.
Yup. More guns equals more gun deaths. Until the US addresses its' gun problem--nothing will change. And, nothing will. Other developed countries don't have this issue.
My high school kid comes home and says "I was talking to Bob today and he says he wants to shoot people in school'. What happens next?
We go to the school and say Bob said he is going to shoot up the school. School calls in Bob's parents and they A) do nothing, B) have in put in a 3 day psych eval and say Bob is very smart and he convinces the psych ward he is ok and gets released to his parents. What next?
Or some homeless guy gets a gun and goes and shoots people in a mall because he's schizophrenic. The police have had several encounters with him but he keeps getting put back out the streets after each arrest. He has no friends or family so there is no one making sure he takes his meds.
We no longer commit people who have mental health issues. Who is going to be the person in the system who makes sure people get the care they are needing? No one. No one is going to. This is why shootings won't stop.
Call the police instead of going to school. See what happened to Ethan Crumbley when a teacher saw him drawing violent images. He reported the kid to the school who let him stay at school that day and never checked his bookbag. Don't trust the school to do the right thing. Same thing happened with Eric Harris, one of the Columbine shooters.
You definitely run the risk of being called a Racist — the FBI ignores Reese warnings, just like they did at the Parkland School shooting.
NO … it’s ALWAYS about Gun Control , it’s a lot more comfortable to say Guns walk down the streets looking for people to Kill than it is to address the Mental Health issues.
They CERTAINLY knew in Sandy Hook about the mental issues of the Killer.
We don’t know yet about the Uvalde Killings. I may be the only person here who has ever been to the small town of Uvalde. If this horror can happen there …. It can happen anywhere, at any time.
Somebody KNEW, they said nothing. 18 kids dead. May god rest their souls and the souls of their loved ones.
It’s an unspeakable horror and yet the random Killers are among us everywhere.
So this is only about mental health, we don’t have a gun problem.
Biden can’t help himself …. “ stand up to the Gun Lobby”.
Guns are running around the entire Nations Killing prlecsll but themselves.
All Politics all the time. The Great Unifier in Chief Gives solace to the Natuon.
He simply could not stop his RANT.
Take away Evil Guns. “In God’s Name”.
What do you do then to prevent the gun violence pandemic then? Doing nothing, is what we have done for over ten years and we still see the same results. That is the definition of insanity.
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