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Old 05-24-2022, 06:57 PM
 
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Independent
5/24/22

Texas attorney general calls for teachers to be armed after massacre in Uvalde

"Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton repeated his call to arm teachers after a shooter killed more than a dozen children and one teacher at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. ...

"First reponders typically can’t get there in time to prevent a shooting,” he said. “It’s just not possible unless you have a police on every campus, which for a lot of these schools is almost impossible.” ...

"The reality is we don’t have the resources to have law enforcement at every school,” he said. “It takes time for law enforcement, no matter how prepared, no matter how good they are to get there. So having the right training for some of these people at the school is the best hope.”

... More at:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2086641.html

My two cents: As well, $40 billion to help protect Ukraine, so $40 billion can be allocated to also harden schools and protect students in them for a very long time; cops can't travel at the speed of light to schools when responding to threats.

 
Old 05-24-2022, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Originally Posted by Ray Mack View Post
Independent
5/24/22

Texas attorney general calls for teachers to be armed after massacre in Uvalde

"Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton repeated his call to arm teachers after a shooter killed more than a dozen children and one teacher at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. ...

"First reponders typically can’t get there in time to prevent a shooting,” he said. “It’s just not possible unless you have a police on every campus, which for a lot of these schools is almost impossible.” ...

"The reality is we don’t have the resources to have law enforcement at every school,” he said. “It takes time for law enforcement, no matter how prepared, no matter how good they are to get there. So having the right training for some of these people at the school is the best hope.”

... More at:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2086641.html

My two cents: As well, $40 billion to help protect Ukraine, so $40 billion can be allocated to also harden schools and protect students in them for a very long time; cops can't travel at the speed of light to schools when responding to threats.
Yep.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 12:34 AM
 
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Point defense is not going to work. Harden the school with security doors and bullet proof glass and guards inside. Cameras all over the place. Nice and safe. So the shooter hits the buses out in the parking lot. Put a guard in the lot and cover the parking lot as well as the school. So the shooter hits the bus at the first stop light down the road. What you need is a moving defense. Security in the school, parking lot, on the buses and driving around the school. Do not let a shooter think any point is safe or weak. And when something happens, swarm it. Second point, we have gone way over board on the "rights of the individual." Over and over we see this happen and it turns out the person was nuts. The school, police, FBI, doctors, enough people knew it and had evidence of it that they could have done something ahead of time. We need to identify these people ahead of time and either make sure they do not get a gun or better yet, lock them up and see that they get the help they need.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 12:49 AM
 
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What if its the teacher that is the next nutjob?
 
Old 05-25-2022, 01:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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A substandard "solution" at best. The shooter will simply know to avoid teachers as he commits his mass murder. Or, alternatively, shoot the teacher first. Same problem with an armed guard - shoot him forst. BTW, how many teachers these days are combat-trained? Just handing someone a gun doesn't automatically make him and effective defender.

Best idea is to let every adult in or near the school carry a gun IF HE WANTS. A teacher, a janitor, the principal, some guy walking his dog past the campus, etc. Many of them won't be interested, but enough would be, to present a defensive force against a lone nutcase or two. And the nutcase wouldn't know which adult(s) were armed. The Principal, or a policeman, could ask for volunteers, and set up a schedule for who will be armed today, tomorrow etc.

In many cases it would be enough to make the nutcase re-examine his intentions. Presto, a school shooting avoided, and zero casualties, all without a shot being fired.

Not a perfect solution, but can anybody think of a better one?
 
Old 05-25-2022, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Finland
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A substandard "solution" at best. The shooter will simply know to avoid teachers as he commits his mass murder. Or, alternatively, shoot the teacher first. Same problem with an armed guard - shoot him forst. BTW, how many teachers these days are combat-trained? Just handing someone a gun doesn't automatically make him and effective defender.

Best idea is to let every adult in or near the school carry a gun IF HE WANTS. A teacher, a janitor, the principal, some guy walking his dog past the campus, etc. Many of them won't be interested, but enough would be, to present a defensive force against a lone nutcase or two. And the nutcase wouldn't know which adult(s) were armed. The Principal, or a policeman, could ask for volunteers, and set up a schedule for who will be armed today, tomorrow etc.

In many cases it would be enough to make the nutcase re-examine his intentions. Presto, a school shooting avoided, and zero casualties, all without a shot being fired.

Not a perfect solution, but can anybody think of a better one?
Radical idea I know, but how about better gun laws like the civilised world?
 
Old 05-25-2022, 03:52 AM
 
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So Texas underfunds its educational systems , Labels teachers as "brainwashing CRT pushers " and yet wants to arm teachers so now teachers are all these things and babysitters and now armed protectors who get paid low wages? Sure that'll work
 
Old 05-25-2022, 04:11 AM
 
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It’s not a perfect solution, but it’s the ONLY solution available to us.

There are 300 to 400 million weapons in private hands. About 40 million of those, maybe even more, are so called assault rifles.

It would take decades, and cost tens of thousands of lives, to go door to door in order to de-arm the public. Not to mention stop and frisk check points everywhere. Also, the border is wide open with weapons and drugs flowing freely on a daily basis.

So let’s stop with the nonsense of banning weapons.

A “good guy with a gun” is the only thing that can work (sometimes) against a bad guy with a gun.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 04:12 AM
 
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Exactly,
I wonder what could go wrong by arming underpaid and overworked teachers.

Just another BS attempt to say that guns are the solution.
 
Old 05-25-2022, 04:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ray Mack View Post
Independent
5/24/22

Texas attorney general calls for teachers to be armed after massacre in Uvalde

"Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton repeated his call to arm teachers after a shooter killed more than a dozen children and one teacher at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. ...

"First reponders typically can’t get there in time to prevent a shooting,” he said. “It’s just not possible unless you have a police on every campus, which for a lot of these schools is almost impossible.” ...

"The reality is we don’t have the resources to have law enforcement at every school,” he said. “It takes time for law enforcement, no matter how prepared, no matter how good they are to get there. So having the right training for some of these people at the school is the best hope.”

... More at:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2086641.html

My two cents: As well, $40 billion to help protect Ukraine, so $40 billion can be allocated to also harden schools and protect students in them for a very long time; cops can't travel at the speed of light to schools when responding to threats.
Paxton is an idiot.

I'm licensed to carry a gun, I train regularly, and I live in Texas. Paxton may live in Texas, but I don't think he has a clue about how to protect a bunch of children in a classroom with a pistol against a more heavily armed invader whose intent is to kill anyone in range.

The first thing I'd do is equip classrooms with armored hallway doors and rear escape doors...whether or not the teachers were armed. If I were an armed teacher, I'd certainly rather guard the kids' escape through the back door than try to shoot it out in a closed room full of kids.
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