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Old 07-04-2022, 07:10 PM
 
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Was there a case where a black person didn’t actively resist the arrest and still got shot?

I said “actively” to allow minor scuffles with the arresting officers. “Minor” means cursing, push, and shove. It does not mean bashing the officer’s head against the car door or attempting to grab the officer’s gun.
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Ridgefield, WA
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Philando Castile?
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Was there a case where a black person didn’t actively resist the arrest and still got shot?
Yes. Philando Castile. Family was awarded $3 million.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill...ilando_Castile

Cop freaked out when Philando said he was armed (you’re required to disclose it), and started shooting.
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:24 PM
 
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Sure, there have been a few, and those instances should be condemned (and prosecuted) — as any instances of police using excessive or deadly force without real justification should be. That being said, the incredible minority of instances in which this has happened is clearly not in keeping with the far-left narrative that blacks across the country live in a state of existential fear of exiting their homes because the hit-squad police are lurking behind every tree waiting to spill the blood of darkies. That's a level of psychosis far exceeding the left's everyday gaslighting. Gets ratings, though.
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:37 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Not sure if this qualifies but
The cop said he thought the toy truck this autistic man held was a gun.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JvH_vGSDU
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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Sure, there have been a few, and those instances should be condemned (and prosecuted) — as any instances of police using excessive or deadly force without real justification should be. That being said, the incredible minority of instances in which this has happened is clearly not in keeping with the far-left narrative that blacks across the country live in a state of existential fear of exiting their homes because the hit-squad police are lurking behind every tree waiting to spill the blood of darkies. That's a level of psychosis far exceeding the left's everyday gaslighting. Gets ratings, though.
Uhm, just no.

I'm a minority, and educated professional, and I STILL get pulled over all the time, far, far more than my white neighbors/coworkers. And yes, I have been pulled out at gunpoint by the police, several times, in my life. And yes, I have even been assaulted by the police when I was a kid... for simply walking down the street. My dad has also been assaulted by the police (beat, really), for walking down the street. I've been frisked, handcuffed, harassed, everything but shot, multiple times in my life, yet have never been arrested. I've even worked closely with the police for years at a time, at one job even carrying a police radio and having to learn/speak in 10-code, and still all these incidents happened (including one time where two cops snuck up on me and stopped me at gunpoint, and I had headphones and couldn't hear a word they were saying... pretty luck to not have been shot that day). It's not made up, whether you want to believe it or not.
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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Not sure if this qualifies but
The cop said he thought the toy truck this autistic man held was a gun.

charles kinsey


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4JvH_vGSDU
... yet he shot the person who did NOT have Autism!



I remember when this happened, because for nearly 20 years, I worked in a similar position, in a similar facility, and we often had to follow/chase kids in public. And often, we had to restrain them in public for their own safety, and passerbys would always want to intervene (which we always expected and understood). Since we were in the middle of the crisis, we always instructed them that if they wanted to help, they can stay there and watch all they want, and they can call the police if they want, but please stay out of the altercation. It was always a bit scary when the cops showed up, because we never knew which cops would show up, or how they would react. The vast majority of the time, the cops who responded were understanding, helpful, and usually just stayed out of our way after we properly identified ourselves. But every now and then, we'd get "that" cop, the one who would believe any of our badges, and demand that we release the child we were restraining (who was actively threatening to kill himself during the whole altercation). We always talked, "One of these days, some off-duty cop is probably going to drive by, see this, and shoot us." And lo and behold, it actually happened to someone.
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Old 07-04-2022, 07:45 PM
 
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Uhm, just no.

I'm a minority, and educated professional, and I STILL get pulled over all the time, far, far more than my white neighbors/coworkers. And yes, I have been pulled out at gunpoint by the police, several times, in my life. And yes, I have even been assaulted by the police when I was a kid... for simply walking down the street. My dad has also been assaulted by the police (beat, really), for walking down the street. I've been frisked, handcuffed, harassed, everything but shot, multiple times in my life, yet have never been arrested. I've even worked closely with the police for years at a time, at one job even carrying a police radio and having to learn/speak in 10-code, and still all these incidents happened (including one time where two cops snuck up on me and stopped me at gunpoint, and I had headphones and couldn't hear a word they were saying... pretty luck to not have been shot that day). It's not made up, whether you want to believe it or not.
I am a minority too but I have never been pulled over. I always obey the traffic laws.
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Old 07-04-2022, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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I am a minority too but I have never been pulled over. I always obey the traffic laws.
They don't even give me tickets... so why are they pulling me over?

My last time being pulled over (a few months ago), part of the conversation went like this..

Cop: you were going about 50 (limit is 40)

Me: No I wasn't. I was going 40. I know the speed limit on this road, I saw you, and I immediately looked down to make sure I was going 40. The speed limit changes on this street 3 times in about a mile, and I travel this road EVERY DAY, several times a day because I work at the school. I know what the speed limit is.

(this back and forth continues for a while)

COP: Are you a teacher?

ME: No, the psychologist.

Cop: We just had a 5150 there. They said the psych was there, and he recommended the 5150.

ME: I'm the psych, and I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you talked to the counselor.

Cop: Nope, it was the psychologist. Our team spoke with the Psychologist.

Me: That would be me, and I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't even know about any 5150... and I would definitely know.

Cop: maybe they talked to the other psychologist...

Me: I am the only psych.

And then he let me go, with no ticket.

Also, there is only one high school in our city, so no chance of him getting the wrong school. And I get pulled over so much here that I usually just put on cruise control, so that I stay at the speed limit until I get home. I can't use cruise control on this stretch, however, because the speed limit changes three times in about a mile or so. This cop was either confused (he also said I was driving on a street I never went down), or he was straight up lying. I'm nearly 50 years old, and still having to deal with this crap.
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Old 07-04-2022, 08:19 PM
 
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Uhm, just no.

I'm a minority, and educated professional, and I STILL get pulled over all the time, far, far more than my white neighbors/coworkers. And yes, I have been pulled out at gunpoint by the police, several times, in my life. And yes, I have even been assaulted by the police when I was a kid... for simply walking down the street. My dad has also been assaulted by the police (beat, really), for walking down the street. I've been frisked, handcuffed, harassed, everything but shot, multiple times in my life, yet have never been arrested. I've even worked closely with the police for years at a time, at one job even carrying a police radio and having to learn/speak in 10-code, and still all these incidents happened (including one time where two cops snuck up on me and stopped me at gunpoint, and I had headphones and couldn't hear a word they were saying... pretty luck to not have been shot that day). It's not made up, whether you want to believe it or not.
If this has been your experience (and I'm skeptical — just being honest) then I can see how your perception would be what it is. If these things occurred as you've described them, it's clearly appalling and I'm sorry you and your father have had to deal with that. That should be addressed, if not prosecuted.

That being said, the plural of anecdote is not necessarily data, and the comparative minority of these things occurring does not make it the rule rather than the exception. Police officers interact with civilians somewhere between 50 and 200 million times each year in the United States. If there was evidence to support the assertion that the police are largely bad, murderous individuals, we'd have clear data to support the assertion. Those data are simply not forthcoming. That's not to suggest that there aren't bad officers, because there sure are. I have work-related contracts with 9 law enforcement agencies here in Florida. I can tell you with absolute certainty that there are members on the force who have no business holding a badge and a gun. This is still the exception, rather than the rule, which is all I was suggesting.

I have no issues with holding the bad individuals accountable in any circumstance, but that's not the same as the fear-porn disseminated via left-wing media outlets declaring blacks need to worry foremost about being murdered in cold blood by cops in the course of their daily lives. It's an intellectually criminal level of gaslighting. Most violence and homicide (more than 90%), racially speaking, is committed by in-group civilians against one another. When it comes to the police, blacks are more likely to experience non-lethal use of force, though it's not necessarily clear why. Roland Fryer and others have done some quality analysis in this field and you may be surprised by some of their findings. There is work to be done on this front, but the left really needs to stop lying through their teeth about reality.
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